Black XXVII: "Dubyuh's Got Faith!!"

MUD's Fertile Cranial Cavity ^ | 21 May 2004 | Mudboy Slim

[SamFromSC]

Sorry about the mis-formatting -- that's what happens when I post before having coffee. =)

So how do you or your dad know what John Kerry did or did not witness? Seems like it's very hard to prove something Kerry saw was a lie unless you have concrete evidence that he couldn't have seen those things. Nobody in the public eye has disproven Kerry either, and it doesn't appear that they're even trying. Where's Ken Starr when you need him? =)

Anyway, he talked about the whole "war criminals" thing already on Meet The Press. He stands by what he said, and says that there were Geneva Conventions that were broken, but just wishes he had phrased things more artfully.

Again, why does that matter in 2004? Bush is misleading us now about the war in Iraq, but you don't seem nearly as concerned with that as you are with things that happened the early '70s.

[FBD]

Please bookmark this site:

It is a copy of Osama bin Ladens terror training manual:
Pay especial attention to "Espionage, Information gathering Using Open Methods" - chapter 11
(pages 8, 9 and 10.)

http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/jihadmanual.html

[jla]

Bush is misleading us now about the war in Iraq...

How is President Bush "misleading us"?

[SamFromSC]

From the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform:

"Between September 12, 2002, and July 17, 2003, President Bush made 55 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 27 separate public appearances. On October 7, 2002, three days before the congressional votes on the Iraqi war resolution, President Bush gave a speech in Cincinnati, Ohio, with 11 misleading statements"

You can read the specific statements in the linked PDF.

[jla]

U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform

Sam, you failed to cite that this is a document put out by the Democrats. The complete & actual title being:

UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM — MINORITY STAFF
SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION
MARCH 16, 2004

Prepared For Rep. Henry A. Waxman

[SamFromSC]

So? That doesn't magically change the things that Bush said in the report.

I don't care if Jimmy Hoffa's on the committee -- it doesn't change the fact that Bush misled us, and the documented evidence of that fact.

Cute blog, BTW.

[jla]

I wonder if you were as adamantly defensive of Republican reports during Clinton's impeachment proceedings.

Cute blog, BTW.

Not only "cute", but very well presented and most importantly, factual.
(Mia, you think Sam here might become an avid reader of http://johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com?)

Tell me, Sam, did we, or did we not, do the right thing in liberating Iraq from the monsters in the Hussein regime?

[SamFromSC]

I wonder if you were as adamantly defensive of Republican reports during Clinton's impeachment proceedings.

I had no reason to doubt most of what they were saying at the time, except they were either (a) proven wrong over the course of events, (b) completely frivolous, or (c) both.

Tell me, Sam, did we, or did we not, do the right thing in liberating Iraq from the monsters in the Hussein regime?

Well, this is where the rubber meets the road, isn't it?

You'll have to define "the right thing" for me. If you mean the right thing for Halliburton, sure. If you mean the right thing for America, no way -- we've made ourselves much more vulnerable to terrorism in any number of ways at the cost of billions of dollars.

If you mean the right thing for the Iraqi people, the jury's still out on that one. We've removed a murderous dictator from power over them, but it looks like innocent people are still being tortured just like they were before. And who knows what kind of government Iraq will have five years from now (much less five months from now)? It's not that unlikely that it could be even worse then the dictatorship that came before it. As my magic 8-ball says, "Outlook not so good."

[Mudboy Slim]

"Seems like it's very hard to prove something Kerry saw was a lie unless you have concrete evidence that he couldn't have seen those things."

In his various partial recantations of his testimony, Hanoi John has admitted that he "misspoke" and that he had only heard rumors of stuff he testified that he'd witnessed. Have you really not been exposed to this story?! Wow...it's a KILLER ISSUE in the military voting sector!!

I'll find you a link to a good thread of info...Kerry totally LIED to Congress and has since admitted it and apologized.

FReegards...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"Prepared For Rep. Henry A. Waxman"

BWAHAHAHA...Mr. Nostrilitus hisself...very credible source indeed...LOL!!

jla, my FRiend, meet my Lefty FRiend I've invited to diversify the Black threads between now and November. Sam's from the LeftWing Forum, Smirking Chimp, and is a fellow Plowboyz fan.

Y'all deserve each other...MUD

[SamFromSC]

I'll find you a link to a good thread of info...Kerry totally LIED to Congress and has since admitted it and apologized. Great, bring it on. Just make sure it's not based on conjecture or innuendo.

[Mudboy Slim]

"I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead"
-- Ronald Reagan, letter to the American people, November 5, 1994

I hadn't been to yer FReepPage in quite awhile...good stuff!!

FReegards...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"...they were either (a) proven wrong over the course of events, (b) completely frivolous, or (c) both."

HA!!! That's why America MUST...

RE-IMPEACH. CONVICT. DETHRONE.
DISBAR. DE-PENSION. DE-LEGITIMIZE.
INDICT. CONVICT. IMPRISON. DISCARD KEY.

Sheeeeesh...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"Sam, did we, or did we not, do the right thing in liberating Iraq from the monsters in the Hussein regime?"

I'd appreciate an answer to that, too...MUD

[SamFromSC]

Uh, what?

[SamFromSC]

I'd appreciate an answer to that, too...MUD Look at post #188 above.

[Mudboy Slim]

"If you mean the right thing for America, no way -- we've made ourselves much more vulnerable to terrorism in any number of ways at the cost of billions of dollars."

More vulnerable to terrorism, you say?!

"TOTAL INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST ATTACKS, 1992 - 2003
1992- 363
1993- 431
1994- 322
1995- 440
1996- 296
1997- 304
1998- 274
1999- 395
2000- 426
2001- 355
2002- 198
2003- 190

-"Clearly, the war on terrorism is working. Since taking the fight directly to the terrorist where them train and operate, their ability to engage in terrorism has been genuinely crippled, with the number of international terrorist incidents at historic lows since the Bush administration began its systematic effort to root out terrorism worldwide."

(You can read the entire 182 page report at the following URL):

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/

Notice the post-9/11/01 DROP?! Wanna rethink yer argument?!

"If you mean the right thing for the Iraqi people, the jury's still out on that one. We've removed a murderous dictator from power over them, but it looks like innocent people are still being tortured just like they were before.

Say what?!! Iraqis used to be raped, maimed, and murdered by Saddam...and you wanna equate THAT with a half-dozen LeftWing would-be sado-masochists taking pictures of Iraqis doing perverted things a half-year ago?! Puh-LEEEZE...

"And who knows what kind of government Iraq will have five years from now (much less five months from now)? It's not that unlikely that it could be even worse then the dictatorship that came before it. As my magic 8-ball says, "Outlook not so good."

Self-representation worse than oppression...spoken like a true Socialist ideologue...MUD

BTW...thanks fer joining the Black threads, it is already apparent that debunkin' yer Lefty nonsense will do wonders fer my synergy level.

[jla]

"Hi Muddy!
Ya know, I can get a private loge to any 'skins game I want.
You and I will have to plan on going some time!

[Mudboy Slim]

Wow...the Beast looks relatively svelte in that picture...big ol' mouth, though...LOL!!

"Peace is Right!!"
(To be sung to Boston's "Peace of Mind")

Yeah...Left is feelin' kinda low 'cuz Slick Willie's their favorite...
Kerry's such a Commie 'Ho!!
Hell'ry oughtta run, but somehow her feet keep on draggin'!!
HildaBeast, give Veep a go!! Yeah!! Yeah!! Yeah!!

I understand it's a big decision...
Gotta choose between Left and Right!!
FReepers, rise up fer Guv'ment Recision...
Show all the World we know Peace is Right!! Yeah...oh oh oh!!

Folks, we've heard enuff of Left's Med'yuh chatter...
Left's been in charge fer too long!!
Can'tcha see there'll come a day when TREASON MATTERS?!
Let's hope that day's before yer gone!!

I understand it's a big decision...
Gotta choose 'tween Wrong and Right!!
FReep the Left into submission!!
All we want is fer folks to do what's Right!!

Future's just ahead!! Future's just ahead...Yeah!! Yeah!! Yeah!! Yeah!! WOOO!!

(Guitar jammin')

Folks, Big Guv'ment isn't nice, still (it) keeps gettin' bigger!!
Devolve all that Power to me...
Rise up, FReeperPower...must believe Right's Winning...
Rise up fer our Victory!!

Oh-ahhh-oh!!
I understand it's Life's Big Decision...
Gotta choose between Left and Right!!
FReep DemRATS into submission...
Tell the Republicans to Show Some Spine!!

Future's just ahead...Join our Righteous Thread...LEFT IS DEAD!!

(guitar jammin' to fade)

Mudboy Slim (3/24/04)

[Mudboy Slim]

Two hunnerd...MUD