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Did Allies kill GIs in D-Day training horror?
Guardian Unlimited (UK) ^ | Sunday May 16, 2004 | Mark Townsend

Posted on 05/16/2004 3:26:48 PM PDT by plato99

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1 posted on 05/16/2004 3:26:48 PM PDT by plato99
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The scale of devestation in regards to the Normandy Invasion operation are mind blowing.


2 posted on 05/16/2004 3:30:17 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno

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3 posted on 05/16/2004 3:30:56 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: plato99

I read a book on that incident a number of years ago, Smalls' book was published in 1988, but I thought I had read a book around 1980 on the topic. At the time they had to cover it up because of preparations for Overlord. But in subsequent years there was no reason not to come clean on the tragedy.


4 posted on 05/16/2004 3:32:57 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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"One of Britain's grimmest wartime secrets...can now be told."

I've known about it for over thirty years now...and my knowledge came from published material that anyone could read.

5 posted on 05/16/2004 3:35:32 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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I've known about it for over thirty years now...and my knowledge came from published material that anyone could read.

That was my recollection as well . . . I just did some Google searches, and here's one comment relating to why the disaster was covered up almost immediately:

"Nobody knows for certain how many U.S. soldiers and sailors died in the so-called Battle of Slapton Sands. It was a top-secret operation. General Eisenhower feared that if German intelligence learned the details of the mock invasion, he might have to postpone or even cancel D-Day."

6 posted on 05/16/2004 3:37:12 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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The English press does tend to be overly dramatic at times...as well as their military historians. Montgomery is a case in point.


7 posted on 05/16/2004 3:38:50 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Numbers Guy

We tend to be a bit over zelous sticking with our 50 and 60 and 100 year 'offical secrets' rules. That said the slapton sands incident has been the subject of many TV documentaries even in the absence of official acknowledgement up to know. There were that many witnesses there is little doubt it happened.

Tragic - but that's war. My own grandfather told me he saw more men lost in training accidents than he did in combat.


8 posted on 05/16/2004 3:39:30 PM PDT by Brit_Guy
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To: Numbers Guy

Imagine this in the modern media.


9 posted on 05/16/2004 3:40:18 PM PDT by Crazieman
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I find it hard to believe that soldiers would continue shooting after seeing that they were killing their own.

>>...US serviceman Harold McAulley, who tells of dragging dead soldiers off the sands and later helping to bury corpses - the faces black with oil and burning ...<<

Consistent with an explosion on a ship.

10 posted on 05/16/2004 3:41:30 PM PDT by FReepaholic (War On Terror: If not us, who? If not now, when?)
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Please forward to William Jefferson Clinton. :)

11 posted on 05/16/2004 3:45:31 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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Tragic - but that's war. My own grandfather told me he saw more men lost in training accidents than he did in combat.

And I once read that in World War One, 25% of planes were downed due to mid-air collisions during dogfights, as often with friendly planes was with the enemy.

12 posted on 05/16/2004 3:45:52 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: plato99

If true it was worse than any recent "friendly fire" incident. Common sense has told me that the phenomenon was not exclusive to today's forces.


13 posted on 05/16/2004 3:46:21 PM PDT by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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I find it hard to believe that soldiers would continue shooting after seeing that they were killing their own.

Perhaps they thought the soldiers had been directed to "play dead."

14 posted on 05/16/2004 3:49:01 PM PDT by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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In that age, peoples of free nations were resolute in the dirty, imperfect task of making war unto victory.

The other day, I was watching a film on the Battle of Bastogne, a mere crucial town on the road to Belgium's pivotal port during the last German push called the Battle of the Bulge.

The 82nd and 101st Airborne units were sent in on foot, as some days were required to get the 4th Armored under Patton the 175 miles they had to traverse in icy conditions.

The infantry, with little food, heavy weapons or ammo went in in high spirits to face the German Panzer advance. A Sgt recounts how one of his men didn't have a weapon, let alone ammo. He in its stead, found a good stick, a cudgel if you will and went along repeating as he swung it, "I'll have me a rifle tonight."

In that battle of a few days for one town, ten times our entire KIAs in Iraq were incurred and shrugged off as what it took.

Like they said at Ground Zero to Bush: "...Whatever it takes!"

In my mind, the media has no stomach to defend and represent freedom and just order. They are a cancer in the body of a fighting nation.

15 posted on 05/16/2004 3:50:04 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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Can anybody verify that there was blue-on-blue small arms fire with live rounds? I had never heard this alleged before.


16 posted on 05/16/2004 3:53:49 PM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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How could they not tell that they were firing live ammo? Why and the hell wouldnt they stop firing when they saw people falling over and blood spraying everywhere.


17 posted on 05/16/2004 3:53:56 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Crazieman

This IS in the modern media and they're doing the "now it can be told" spiel in order to taint the military in general in peoples' minds as inept when they're not busy being inhumane (ala the prison abuse story, for example).

See?


18 posted on 05/16/2004 4:08:25 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: tscislaw

In that time period men on all sides did what they were told and our moron officers kept ordering them to fire.


19 posted on 05/16/2004 4:21:48 PM PDT by Righty1
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*ping!

Does this pass the smell test?

20 posted on 05/16/2004 4:27:27 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Frankenstein's Rule: If you make the monster you have to deal with the angry peasants)
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