Posted on 05/14/2004 7:12:53 AM PDT by kattracks
Nick Berg had a bit of a strange run the last few years - starting with the "coincidental" usage of his e-mail account by the alleged 20th 9-11 hijacker - ending with his beheading at the hands of terrorists in Iraq.He is described by various news agencies as a techno-genius, a dreamer, a wanderer, a funnyman and the ultimate Curious George.
Today, Philly.com revealed another item about Berg: "Berg's stubborn wanderlust made him a target of suspicion - a religious Jew riding around Mosul in a taxi with a copy of the Koran. ... Some U.S. soldiers even wondered if the patriotic Berg was 'a wannabe freedom fighter.'"
So what was he doing in Iraq? A friend told Fox News he thought Berg was "sailing in Turkey." (Sure ... if we were to go sailing, that's the place we'd choose as well.)
When Berg was arrested in Mosul, he had two items with him that made authorities nervous: A copy of the Koran, and another book reportedly entitled either "The Jewish Problem" or "The Jewish Solution." Why a Jew would be carrying these items is unclear, but Berg supporters say it was like him to be curious about such things.
Berg also refused to leave Iraq when asked to do so by the State Department.
He not only apparently felt the need to help rebuild Iraq, but he also wanted to go into business doing so. He told jailors that he was losing thousands of dollars while being detained.
He had worked in Africa (Uganda), and had some kind of a relative living in Mosul, so that's where he went in Iraq. He was only arrested because he was an unaccompanied American in a place where that was out of place.
A military source in Iraq told the Philadelphia Daily News, "He was jailed because unescorted Americans aren't usually seen downtown and 'they didn't know what to do with him.'
"Police were suspicious because of 'his demeanor'" and the two books he had.
Berg was, according to the paper, "under Iraqi control... the FBI also questioned Berg three times and visited his parents back in West Chester."
Authorities tried to tell Berg to go home, and offered to pay for everything, but he told them, "You don't understand these people like I do. You're here for a reason - and so am I."
On April 6th, Berg was released from jail, and three days later he disappeared.
First off, I didn't think you were doing anything of the sort, MCC.
OK?
I'm not sure what "the story" [really] is, just have this nagging suspicion it ain't what we've been told.
Too many loose ends that just don't make any sense, a'tall.
"One conspiracy theory is that WE offed him (prison orange, pale looking skin, white tennis shoes) to take the heat off vis a vis the prison photos scandal."
I'm sure the brainstems at Dummies Unlimited came up with that one -- & after only their 2nd toke -- but I don't agree.
Doesn't have the "ring of truth," just the tell-tale ring of Liberal-Socialist inspired simpleton bullcocka, is all.
"Another conspiracy theory is that there is more to this 'Pro-Bush, Pro-War Independent Businessman with an ANSWER activist father who just happened to sit next to a terrorist on a bus a few years back' was an Al-Quaeda sympathizer who was double crossed and murdered by them."
An al-Quaeda terrorist who used the victim's email btw, don't forget that.
Long ago while studying criminal investigation in the military, an old timer investigator once told me, "There's no such thing as [a] true "coincidence" while conducting an investigation. IF you should ever run across one, follow up on it. The answer will be at the end & you'll solve your case."
I believed what that old man told me, and I still do.
He was cast a time long before modern forensics et al using only intuition skills, experience & an uncanny sense for "truth" to solve cases.
Those skills have been almost totally forgotten in lieu of scientific method(s), DNA etc; so, when a few others have pointed out some [glaring] inconsistencies in the video and this young man's story for even being where he was?
It created much suspicion (within me) where there really shouldn't be any.
Capiche?
"Of course, he could have just been a naive kid in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Yea, he might've.
Could be as simple as that, too.
While considering that possibility -- & I had, naturally -- I had to ask myself, "If I were Jewish, would I be running about a place like Iraq -- or anywhere else in the Arab/Muslim controlled mideast -- knowing I had a bullseye painted on my back for any & every nutcase Islamofacist to come down the pike?"
Maybe Nic Berg neglected to ask himself that question, it's possible; but, I didn't & the answer was a resounding, "NO!.
"One of the above makes a whole lot more sense to me than the others!"
Well I'd prefer to have the answers to even *half* of the questions that've been raised, before my curiosity's been sated.
Because as I said I don't believe in "coincendences" and this Berg case?
...has more than one of those.
If true, than of course it'd be a critical point.
Now all we need to do is learn what he was found wearing, eh?
To which there should be just one answer.
...an orange jumpsuite.
Neither did Sherlock Holmes...
and he was pretty good at deductive reasoning.
Incidentally, I don't believe in coincidences either. In this case you'd have to believe in a ton of them.
Sorry to repeat this: Someone on another thread said that the terrorists/executioners are experts at "clean" decapitations. They drug & bleed the victims first so it won't be so messy. (and now I feel sick)
Another oddity that no one has mentioned yet is that Hesbolla(SP?) was the first Islamic group to call the beheading heinous barbarism. This group was followed closely by Hamas. Since when have these groups decried the gruesome death of any Jew?
A "fiscal conservative," eh? {g}
"A little more for your consideration, and I really do want to hear your take on this stuff, please."
First off, I found your observations concerning the volume of blood that wasn't present troubling because you're absolutely correct.
The stuff should've been spraying around everywhere, at least throughout the first half of his murder.
Yet, it wasn't, just a neat little puddle.
"The miscellaneous and ridiculous conspiracy theories:
Conspiracy One: An unnamed "intelligence" source has info that the beheading was really done by Mossad using "Yemeni Jews" who look like arabs in order to generate hatred against the peaceful people of islam.
The Yemeni Jews who look like arabs were critical to the deception since all we can see of the murderers is their hands. Hands... oh yeah, about those hands..."
Sorry, no dice.
Just sounds like Liberal-Socialist inspired baloney to me.
The identity of the murderers will become known soon enough.
We're being told one of the voices has already been discovered to be an a-Q bigshot, presumably using voice prints?
"Conspiracy Two: The CIA really did it in order to generate hatred against the peaceful people of islam. Oh and also to deflect interest in the prison abuse scandal. The murderer's hands are too white, they look too fat and well fed to be arabs."
The "Peaceful people of Islam," huh.
Oy vey, Linda.
White hands & fat (too) well-fed Arabs?
Next...
"Conspiracy Three: The victim was killed in the prison by evil American GIs. The victim was wearing an orange jumpsuit just like the ones used in the prison."
Fine, great.
And their motive for killing the guy was?
Next...
"Funny thing about that orange jumpsuit. When he was found on that bridge, he was dressed in civilian clothes, all buttoned up and zipped up in the right places. I have to check that photo again. See if the body had shoes on when it was found, I don't remember and the picture is at home."
Do a search on poster "Mediamole" & read what this individual had to say about the [bridge] photo, OK?
Would like to hear your take, afterwards.
"Why take the presumably bloody jumpsuit off a corpse and dress him again? Especially when he was already filmed wearing the damn thing?"
Assumes he was in-fact not found wearing the thing, though.
That has yet to be proven (to my satisfaction) unless, you know something I/we don't, in which case speak up!
"Perhaps so the jumpsuit can be returned to the wardrobe dept for the next film?"
HA!!
...one just never knows about these things, do they.
Well Sir (Doctor) Arthur Conlan Doyle's deductive reasoning was pretty good, anyway. {g}
"Incidentally, I don't believe in coincidences either."
As well you shouldn't.
Genuine coincidences are damned rare.
"In this case you'd have to believe in a ton of them."
Yup, sure would.
...the stink's almost unmistakable.
Both good points.
More questions.
...& still no answers.
I also just found out that he actually worked on the Abu Gharib Prison communications tower in January!
Too many coincidences! Too many.
Thank you so much. Interesting. Where is Harris Corps headquartered?
Did Nic post to the message board while he was in Iraq?
True-true, no use denying that.
Always make a mess of myself trying to think like a Liberal-Socialist, too.
"...your thinking like soft white westerner..."
A suspicious soft white westerner (who's really not all that "soft," a'tall), OK.
"The militant islamists would do somthing like this to up the ante; to show their followers, and those that cower in their shadow, that they are more brutal, more evil than the Americans could ever be."
Possible.
But they'd be demonstrating a lethal lack of knowledge insofar as history's concerned, too.
I mean there's Pearl Harbor & most recently 911; both, proved completely disasterous for the enemy.
I may believe the Islamofacists are a lot of things -- all bad -- my friend; but, "stupid" would never be one of those beliefs, either.
"The "con" value is a bonus to them."
As this plays out, you might just wind-up absolutely correct about that.
Time will tell.
If so, the animals will live to rue the day they were born.
Might as well give their soul(s) to Allah, right now.
...'cuz their asses are ours.
Something I don't hear the press talking about is how AQ loves to cut throats. Remember the pilots and (possibly) the fight attendents on the 9/11 planes....
"The only good bug...is a dead bug"
Picked a hellova great man to quote, y'know.
...& RLH was right on.
"According to some who know the radio tower business, it seems unlikely he was doing that kind of work."
What do they base that opinion on? I know someone who was also a contractor in Iraq last year, who hired Berg to do this sort of work. There was a big push last year to get Iraq's communication system up and running again.
Contractors in Iraq make very good money - I don't think the $70,000 figure is that unusual.
I knew it was suspicious that this guy was in Iraq without being employed by anybody. Hell of a place to go job-hunting.
Read my post again. I did not say that we would hire look alikes to kill an american for having terrorist connections.
I said, that our government HIRES foreign "interrogators" to torture information out of terror suspects. I agree that this is offensive! I don't agree with it one bit. Wrong is wrong, even if we are doing the actual dirty business! But, this is NOT an ignorant statement. It is true.
What I was saying is that perhaps, instead of just trying to get info out of Berg, the hired "interrogators" decided (without our knowledge) that they would kill him, since he is a Jew.
I am saying that there are no swans in the cesspool, and when you hire people who like to torture, you are often getting terrorists who can not be trusted!
I read piles of his books, culminating with "Stranger in a Strange Land"...the one book [Title escapes me] that I really liked of his and has stuck in my head, was the one where they Ice Skate in the canals of Mars...
Look, This is just going way off the spectrum, and my mind has turned into a mud-pie from speculation....but why oh why are Freepers being targeted in some of the way out wacko DUmmified comments being presented as the truth on the "Sightings" site?
Hopefully, some of you will jump over and check out the post about "PsyOps...." because it is filled with rampant lies regarding this entire saga
But of course, the demon rats have turned this around that the poor American has been savagely executed by......you guessed it.....fellow Americans.....of course this doesn't count because it is ultimately the fault of the President. As is everything......sigh.
I don't know if you can stomach listening to the audio again. I can't. But, I am wondering, when his screaming began did he or did he not at one point ( as he began screaming )say "No!" as if he was surprised by the attack? I don't know why I am curious about this. I guess I would have screamed the same thing.
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