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Scientists: Virus May Give Link to Life
Science - AP ^ | 2004-05-12

Posted on 05/13/2004 10:27:11 AM PDT by Junior

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To: Junior
I would have asked the researchers how the virii got there in the first place; this writer didn't think of that.

It seems logical that the virus would have got there along with the organism it is associated with that lives there. However that organism got there is how the virus got there. Without that living organism the virus can't replicate and go on for long. The only think interesting about this virus is that it appears to be heat resistant and most viruses are quite heat sensitive.

41 posted on 05/13/2004 3:00:49 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Junior
Predictions aren't proof. Evolutionists have been predicting things for 150 years -- unfortunately most of it is pure speculation and untestable.

Did evolutionists predict uses for "junk" DNA, or DNA proof-reading?

42 posted on 05/13/2004 3:01:09 PM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Did evolutionists predict uses for "junk" DNA, or DNA proof-reading?

Indeed some did. You don't think it was creationists that did the research to determine this stuff, do you?

43 posted on 05/13/2004 3:03:04 PM PDT by Junior (Sodomy non sapiens)
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To: FITZ
I'd have to know what happened to "the soup", and the other problem is that viruses are usually very specific to their host --- no matter how much your dog sneezes on you, you cannot catch the same cold they have in most cases.

"RNA-world" says that cellular life formed as parasites in the soup and ate it. Before then, the whole pond (or whatever) was something like one big organism.

The viruses today have survived by specializing, even as have the cellulars. Everything today is thoroughly modern.

44 posted on 05/13/2004 4:22:00 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Did evolutionists predict uses for "junk" DNA, or DNA proof-reading?

No idea, but if we didn't predict something (this morning's DOW or whatever), what does that prove?

45 posted on 05/13/2004 4:23:19 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Junior
Indeed some did.

Yes, but their careers are in ruins and they are out begging on the streets.

46 posted on 05/13/2004 4:28:37 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: js1138

"Will perform Polymerase Chain Reaction for food"


47 posted on 05/13/2004 4:54:05 PM PDT by Junior (Sodomy non sapiens)
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To: RightWhale; Nakatu X; Junior
We ought to be up to our reading glasses in scientific articles. But we're not.

One of the joys of dealing with academics in general is that they've become so narrowly specialized that they have precious little idea of what's happening outside their own particular sub-sub-field. Not that this is anyone's fault in particular, that there are no more Renaissance Men these days - it's a hell of a lot of work keeping up with one's own field, let alone all the rest.

There are not thousands of scientific articles published each year - there are hundreds of thousands. Agricola indexes more than 800 journals dealing with agriculture and plant sciences alone. Ovid indexes more than a thousand journals in medicine and biomedical sciences. Ingenta - I've lost track, but they index 28,000 academic journals, so you can browse through and figure out how many of those are scientific journals. The IEEE INSPEC database indexes more than 3400 scientific and technical journals - to quote them, their database consists of "over 7 million bibliographic records and is growing at the rate of 350,000 records each year."

Most of it's flying under your radar, so you don't notice it - the vast majority of that stuff is not of interest to the vast majority of the human race, because it's not their particular specialty. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Believe me, if you knew where to look, you would be up to your reading glasses - and way beyond - in scientific articles.

48 posted on 05/13/2004 7:17:41 PM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: VadeRetro
It proves that evolutionists and researchers have severely underestimated the complexity and incredible design of humans and animals for a long time now. If they would have approached their research with a different perspective, who knows what they may have discovered by now. Cures for diseases, etc.

Recently, a discovery was made where the scientists had originally dismissed a gene as an antifreeze-protein pseudogene (5a), but in reality it was crucial to the animal's survival.

Protein is not "junk"

49 posted on 05/14/2004 6:21:07 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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Recently, a discovery was made where the scientists had originally dismissed a gene as an antifreeze-protein pseudogene (5a), but in reality it was crucial to the animal's survival.

I see in your story where a previously overlooked protein was discovered. What are you saying about pseudogenes and where is your source? Pseudogenes do not code proteins.

50 posted on 05/14/2004 6:37:44 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
“The two proteins differ slightly in their amino-terminal sequence and amino-acid composition. At the time of its discovery, the 5a gene was dismissed as an antifreeze-protein pseudogene, largely because the protein it encodes would have been grossly different from type I AFP and had never been detected in the flounder”

*snipped from: Nature 429, 153 (13 May 2004); doi:10.1038/429153a*

51 posted on 05/14/2004 6:42:34 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
“The two proteins differ slightly in their amino-terminal sequence and amino-acid composition. At the time of its discovery, the 5a gene was dismissed as an antifreeze-protein pseudogene, largely because the protein it encodes would have been grossly different from type I AFP and had never been detected in the flounder”
So that is proof that scientists have been doing science wrong:

It proves that evolutionists and researchers have severely underestimated the complexity and incredible design of humans and animals for a long time now. If they would have approached their research with a different perspective, who knows what they may have discovered by now. Cures for diseases, etc.

Acceptance of literal Genesis by Marshall and Fletcher would have led them straight to this elusive protein? How?

52 posted on 05/14/2004 6:51:30 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro

The "perspective" doesn't necessarily have to be "literal Genesis" - but it should be something other than "the body is full of useless relics of the past" (i.e., "junk"). If their going-in position(s) had been "this must have an obscure, or yet to be discovered function" - then perhaps science would have progressed further, faster.


53 posted on 05/14/2004 7:15:02 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

And yet it progressed, despite their dismissal of design.


54 posted on 05/14/2004 7:25:49 AM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: general_re
When billions of taxpayer dollars are being funneled into research programs, and thousands of scientists are out there utilizing the latest and greatest equipment available - of course they are going to *stumble* across things like this.

However, since most scientists accept billions of years and thousands of beneficial 'accidents' as being responsible for themselves - what's a few more years in waiting to discover another use of a perceived piece of "junk?", eh?

55 posted on 05/14/2004 7:35:53 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
"Stumble"? Do you have anything to support that characterization, other than your own fevered imagination? Because it sure looks like the result of a deliberate investigation to me. And when exactly was the 5a gene in the winter flounder first described, anyway? Do you even know what the rationale was in calling them pseudogenes in the first place, or are you comfortable - as apparently you are - in inventing your contention that it was simply assumed to be a pseudogene by the original investigators? Did you even bother looking up the work of the people who first described 5a, or does that crystal ball of yours obviate such mundane gruntwork?
56 posted on 05/14/2004 9:21:02 AM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: general_re
... other than your own fevered imagination?

How can you be so blind to the flood of new pharmaceuticals, medical techniques, cures, and agricultural enhancements flowing from the productive minds of creation scientists?

57 posted on 05/14/2004 9:50:21 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I started to compile a list of same last week - in order to avoid wasting paper, I found it fit handily on the back of an old postage stamp I had lying around...


58 posted on 05/14/2004 10:03:59 AM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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Announcement: There were no horses harmed as a result of the last two posts.


59 posted on 05/14/2004 11:11:59 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: PatrickHenry
How can you be so blind to the flood of new pharmaceuticals, medical techniques, cures, and agricultural enhancements flowing from the productive minds of creation scientists?

Must you always attack "Creation Scientists?" I don't even know one. I don't even know if there is such a thing. There are a number of scientists who believe in God - many have patents. Are you suggesting that only Atheists make discoveries?

60 posted on 05/14/2004 11:22:00 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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