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To: ElisabethInCincy
I think that Islam was originally founded by war and hence the quotes from the Quran, in fact it was spread by war.

Muslims need to realize that moderation and modernization is not sinful and that the similarity between the religions bind us more than separation.

Christians aren't doing what the Catholic Church did in 600 A.D., so why are certain Muslims following what Muslims did in 600 A.D.?

I think we are already seeing it in many places like Turkey, Jordan, and Iran but you'll likely see a growing trend.
123 posted on 05/12/2004 1:46:00 PM PDT by Cyrus the Great
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To: Cyrus the Great
You subscirbe 5 times a day to this mad man murderer I DONT GET IT.. ????
130 posted on 05/12/2004 1:50:21 PM PDT by ElisabethInCincy
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To: Cyrus the Great
"Christians aren't doing what the Catholic Church did in 600 A.D., so why are certain Muslims following what Muslims did in 600 A.D.?"

Because Muhammad hadn't come up with Islam yet in 600 A.D., but I get your point. I hope you're right about the trend and that it grows rapidly.

138 posted on 05/12/2004 1:53:41 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Cyrus the Great
I think that Islam was originally founded by war and hence the quotes from the Quran, in fact it was spread by war.

I think you need to expand on this "moderate Muslim" thing. Is it like being a Reform Jew? Because at the core, Islam still insists that all non-Muslims must be eliminated and are condemned to hell.

Although there are stories of war, told in a historical context in the Old Testament, the Bible in both Testaments is very clear that the path to Heaven is through your actions, not forced conversion.

The Crusades were an arguably unfortunate and probbaly purposeful misinterpretation of the Bible.

I can see no center path in Islam.

153 posted on 05/12/2004 2:02:35 PM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: Cyrus the Great
Christians aren't doing what the Catholic Church did in 600 A.D., so why are certain Muslims following what Muslims did in 600 A.D.?

Because what the Catholic church did in 600AD was against the teachings of Christianity as given in God's Holy Bible. While what certain Muslims are still doing today is in line with the Koran, Hadith and the example of Mohammed.

However, I would like to thank you for posting your original comments and am glad you have spoken out against Nick Berg's barbaric murder.

Thank you once again.

183 posted on 05/12/2004 2:34:29 PM PDT by protest1
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To: Cyrus the Great
"Christians aren't doing what the Catholic Church did in 600 A.D., so why are certain Muslims following what Muslims did in 600 A.D.?"

I agree, that is how I see it. Turkey and Jordan (don’t know about Iran) are good examples of countries that are living in moderation. It seems to me the extremists are gaining ground around the world not just in the Middle East. I hope I am wrong.

There seems to be a good number of people in the US and on this site that do not see this transition that must take place. They need more patience and I am sorry for their very emotional words. I can only hope you don’t give up on us. I would like very much your insight and prospective of what is taking place it is most valuable.

Thank you

324 posted on 05/12/2004 9:43:16 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: Cyrus the Great
I think that Islam was originally founded by war...

And I think that you are culturally an Iranian Muslim, but not deeply religious, and if you really study Mohammed and the many different translations and hadiths and current fatwas, you will come over from the dark side. BTW, my mother was named after the non-prophet's daughter but my Druze Syrian grandpa who immigrated, became a proud American and became a non-Muslim.

Here are some testimonies of ex-Moslems if you are ever curious to read them. Here are some more, and this is a good book that I read, if I recall correctly, took place in Iran around the beginning of the 20th century, converts to Christianity faced much persecution even then: William McElwee Miller, Ten Muslims Meet Christ, Eerdmans, 1969, 1987, 150 pages, ISBN 0-8028-1304-6, tells the stories of ten Iranian converts

I hope I haven't offended you by suggesting that you read them. Shalom,

369 posted on 05/13/2004 9:34:44 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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