To: MineralMan
Cyrus thank u for your condemnation but I also am asking how u can embrace such a belief system like islam. a few people already asked and u skirted the issues let me give afew examples.
Quran 5:33 The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanahs chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.
Bukhari:V4B54N487 The Prophet said, The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires. So someone said, Allahs Apostle, wouldnt this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?
Bukhari:V4B52N260 Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, Dont punish with Allahs Punishment. No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.
Quran 48:27 If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.
Quran 9:5 When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
Ishaq:550 The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.
Quran 5:37 The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.
Tabari IX:6 The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.
Ishaq:595 The Apostle said, Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.
Ishaq:312 Umar said to the Apostle, Let me pull out Suhayls two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.
Ishaq:316 Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.
Quran 8:12 Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men! When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.
Tabari VIII:96 A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umms daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umms daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.
To: ElisabethInCincy
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05/12/2004 1:41:52 PM PDT by
onedoug
To: ElisabethInCincy
I think that Islam was originally founded by war and hence the quotes from the Quran, in fact it was spread by war.
Muslims need to realize that moderation and modernization is not sinful and that the similarity between the religions bind us more than separation.
Christians aren't doing what the Catholic Church did in 600 A.D., so why are certain Muslims following what Muslims did in 600 A.D.?
I think we are already seeing it in many places like Turkey, Jordan, and Iran but you'll likely see a growing trend.
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