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Europeans Like Bush Even Less Than Before
NYT ^ | May 9, 2004 | SARAH LYALL

Posted on 05/08/2004 7:04:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

LONDON, May 8 - Earlier this year, George Osborne, a Conservative member of Parliament, took a straw poll of some legislators from his party. The subject was President Bush. The results were not pretty.

"George Bush scares the hell out of me," one Tory said, according to an article by Mr. Osborne in The Spectator. Another told him: "Bush is a man who might wail at the moon. I don't feel comfortable with him." A third said that while he would vote for Bush in November if he could, "I think Anglo-American relations would be better if Kerry won."

That was long before pictures showing the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners were published all over the world, horrifying even Mr. Bush's allies. And the people Mr. Osborne polled were all Conservatives, by tradition and temperament the Republican Party's natural friends across the Atlantic.

But perhaps the only surprising thing about the vehemence of anti-Bush feeling, based on a reading of newspapers, opinion polls and interviews around Europe, is how unsurprising it truly is. In fact, one reason the recent disclosures have proved so damaging to the American cause here is that Mr. Bush had so little good will upon which to draw.

Across Europe, anti-Bush feeling has contributed to a consensus that the coming American election is of singular importance: for the United States, certainly, but also for the rest of the world. Anxieties about the direction America is going are accompanied more often than not by a passionate desire, cutting across national borders and party lines, to see President Bush voted out of office in November.

Europeans are in general more liberal than Americans, and among Europe's mainstream liberals, rejecting Mr. Bush is a matter of course. But a strange thing seems to have happened to many conservatives, who would ordinarily be the American president's cheerleaders. Even those who favor him seem loath to admit to wholehearted support, tempering their praise with caveats and qualifications.

It is as if admiring Mr. Bush is seen as slightly shameful among thinking Europeans, like confessing a preference for screw-top wine bottles.

"I must say, he's not very popular," said Sergio Romano, an Italian teacher and commentator who has served as ambassador to NATO and to the former Soviet Union. "It's quite understandable that he wouldn't be popular with the bulk of the center-left European intelligentsia, but he's not very popular with the conservatives or moderates either."

In Britain, Lawrence Freedman, a professor of war studies and the vice principal for research at King's College London, paused for an awkward moment when asked about an article he had written for The Financial Times arguing that Mr. Bush seemed "the safer bet," based on past experiences with second-term United States presidents.

"I wouldn't want to come across as a supporter of President Bush," Mr. Freedman said. "It was more of not being pro-Bush, but of explaining why Europeans, despite appearances, might end up not being unhappy if Bush was elected."

In poll after poll, Europeans have shown themselves to be fervently anti-Bush. In Britain, America's staunchest ally in the war in Iraq, a poll of 1,007 people taken last month for The Times of London by the British polling company Populus found support for Senator John Kerry over President Bush by a margin of 56 to 22 percent.

From America, a poll of people in nine nations conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press in March found that opinion of the president and, by extension, the United States, had plummeted across Europe since Mr. Bush took office.

In France, the poll found, the president had an 85 percent negative rating; in Britain, 57 percent; in Germany 85 percent; and in Russia, 60 percent.

"People say, 'I'm very frustrated that I can't vote in the U.S. elections, because these are the ones that affect my way of life more than anything else,' " Ken Dubin, a political scientist at Carlos III University in Madrid, said in an interview.

Referring to the prewar meeting last year of President Bush, Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain and José María Aznar, who was then the prime minister of Spain and whose recent election loss was attributed to antiwar feelings by Spanish voters, Mr. Dubin said, "I've heard the comment, 'One down, two to go.' "

In an editorial in March, the left-leaning British newspaper The Guardian put it more starkly. "Senator Kerry carries the hopes not just of millions of Americans but of millions of British well-wishers, not to mention those of nations throughout Europe and the world," the newspaper wrote. "Nothing in world politics would make more difference to the rest of us than a change in the White House."

Of course there are Bush supporters here. Mr. Osborne is one: "I think he's been a good president for the U.S. and for Britain, and I'd like to see him re-elected," Mr. Osborne said in an interview.

So are leaders like Mr. Blair and Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy. Many European thinkers, while acknowledging the depth of anti-Bush feeling, say it is simplistic and unfair.

"I was impressed by Bush's reaction to Sept. 11, and how he helped put the country back on its feet," said Laurent Cohen-Tanugi, an international lawyer and political writer in France, and the author of "An Alliance At Risk: The United States and Europe Since Sept. 11."

"Europeans tend to attribute the rift between the U.S. and Europe essentially to one man and one administration, and to believe that the mere election of a different president would mend the relationship quickly," he added. "Unfortunately, the reasons for the current Atlantic divide are deeper and more complex."

Some countries, like Poland, which has committed troops to the war in Iraq, have their own reasons for wanting Mr. Bush to succeed.

"Given that the Polish fate in Iraq is linked with President Bush and his policies, there are more sympathies on the Bush side," said Jacek Saryusz-Wolski, a former European affairs minister who is running for the European Parliament. "We think he's been a decisive and courageous president."

But on the whole it is hard to find unreserved enthusiasm for Mr. Bush in Europe. Not that Senator Kerry is seen as particularly dynamic or gifted, or even as especially likely to solve all of America's foreign-policy problems. But he has one irresistible attraction: his non-Bushness.

Europeans' objections to Mr. Bush are multifaceted. Some are still obsessing about stolen elections and hanging chads. Others cannot get past the president's plain-spoken manner, his proudly aggressive anti-intellectualism, his ties to the religious right and his tendency in public to trip over words and concepts.

The criticism can be expressed in ways that are exceptionally disparaging of an American president.

The Express, a British tabloid, for instance, ridiculed Mr. Bush's news conference last month in an article titled, "The President's Brain Is Missing," saying his performance had revealed him as a "bumbling embarrassment."

The paper printed a series of unflattering photographs showing Mr. Bush's various facial expressions after a reporter asked whether he had made mistakes since the Sept. 11 attacks. "In what was meant to be a rallying defense of the war," the caption read, "George Bush appears alternately flummoxed, panicked, forgetful and distant as he struggles to remember what he's been doing in Iraq for the past year."

But beyond distaste for Mr. Bush's personal style are serious questions about what Europeans see as his American-centric, us-or-them worldview.

These began soon after Mr. Bush took office, when he diverged from the European position on a host of international treaties. Then came Sept. 11, the conflict with Iraq, the subsequent backpedaling about the rationale for entering the war and, now, the prisoner abuse scandal.

"The thing that Europeans cannot understand is how you can vote for a liar," said Peter Schneider, a German essayist and novelist. "Here is somebody who lies about something that leads to a war where tens of thousands of people's lives are involved."

Nor are Europeans thrilled about the American values they feel Mr. Bush has encouraged, in which anti-Europeanism is applauded as a virtue, people boycott French wine in protest at the French position on Iraq and Senator Kerry is ridiculed by the Republicans for being able to speak French.

"The idea that you have a leader of the U.S. who's not interested in listening to his allies is important in the way people perceive Bush," Guillaume Parmentier, director of the French Center on the United States at the French Institute of Foreign Relations, said in an interview. "He has a very simplistic view of the world, which we find difficult to accept. In fact, that we find dangerous."

In Moscow, the political commentator Aleksandr Yanov said Mr. Kerry was a superior candidate for many reasons, high among them that he appears to have a far more nuanced view of the world.

Writing in Nyezavisimaya Gazeta, Mr. Yanov said, "In contrast to Bush, he will never put the Bolshevik principle - 'Those who are not with us are against us' - at the center of his policy."

Nick Clegg, a British Liberal Democrat who is a member of the European Parliament, said it was "difficult to exaggerate" the European hope that President Bush would lose the election - particularly in Brussels, whose multilateral ethos is mightily offended by Mr. Bush's unilateralism.

"At the moment, a consideration or analysis of Kerry's positions is pretty underdeveloped," Mr. Clegg said in an interview. "Partly, it's because it's still early days and he hasn't revealed his hand fully. But what really drives people is alarm about George Bush's policies, more than some overwhelming attraction to Kerry.

"Kerry's greatest attraction is that he's not George Bush."


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1 posted on 05/08/2004 7:04:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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And we should care what a bunch of Eurotrash thinks because?
2 posted on 05/08/2004 7:06:30 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Ah yes, time for the Times to drag out this old saw again....

Like I care what the Euros think of our President. Even if they had hated Clinton for being the scum that he is, at least he was our scum.

3 posted on 05/08/2004 7:07:42 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: COEXERJ145
Ditto...who gives a hoot what a bunch of Eurotrash thinks of G.W. Bush or the U.S.A.? They are just socialist whiners.
4 posted on 05/08/2004 7:08:16 PM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, they don't get to vote. Ha ha!
5 posted on 05/08/2004 7:09:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Still looking for the downside to this.
6 posted on 05/08/2004 7:09:36 PM PDT by Militiaman7 (Didn't Arab thugs abuse thousands in NYC on 9-11-2001? I've heard no apology !)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
BFD
7 posted on 05/08/2004 7:09:59 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"People say, 'I'm very frustrated that I can't vote in the U.S. elections, because these are the ones that affect my way of life more than anything else,' "

But if enough folks like them voted in American elections, the outcome of American elections wouldn't matter much. We would just be another declining, sclerotic European country. Noone would care. Because folks like this can't vote in America in sufficient numbers, America is still great; and American elections are very important all around the world.

8 posted on 05/08/2004 7:10:57 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Kerry for president of Europe
9 posted on 05/08/2004 7:11:23 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Europeans Like Bush Even Less Than Before

They say you can judge a man by his enemies . . .

10 posted on 05/08/2004 7:11:26 PM PDT by Buggman (President Bush sends his regards.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Eurotrash hated Ronald Reagan even more. Millions of those socialist loving euroweenies marched in protest over the deployment of the Minute Man Missiles and the Pershing 2's
11 posted on 05/08/2004 7:12:26 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Much like the Arabic world, thought not *yet* on the same scale, control of the media by the government allows European governments to deflect anger at their own corruption and incompetence abroad.

How many Frenchmen know that Saddam Hussein bought French support? How many Russians know lucrative arms contracts were the source of Putin's opposition to Bush?

America has the freest press in the world, and the most conservatives. This connection is an interesting one...
12 posted on 05/08/2004 7:12:26 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Tailgunner Joe
All Right!

We must be doing something right!

Date: Nov 30, 2002 - 02:00 PM

Sean Penn: "yours is a legacy of shame and horror"

Woody Harrelson: "racist and imperialist" "warmongers who stole the White House"

Barbra Streisand, while trying to enlist William Shakespeare to help Richard A. Gephardt, ignorantly spouted parody lines from Matt Drudge! Neither Babs nor Dick apparantly have read Shakespeare. They aren't well read on geography either, thinking that Saddam lives in Iran??

Jessica Lange: "wrong, immoral and basically illegal," and "hates" Mr. Bush.

Harry Belafonte: called Secretary of State Colin L. Powell a plantation slave who had sold out his values to live in the "house of the master."

Susan Sarandon: simply would not want to go to war against Iraq

Add Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen, Tim Robbins, Ed Asner, Marisa Tomei, and Danny Glover in their collective (Good Communist Term) "Not in Our Name" anti-war statement.

Tom Cruise and Steven Spielberg both said they afraid of Saddam.

Jane Fonda visited Hanoi in the Vietnam era, and Alec Baldwin said he would leave the country (He lied like the rest of them).

Maureen Dowd feels that it's ok for N.Korea to be a nuclear power - thanks to the diligent efforts of Clinton, Gore and Allbright.

Let's add Jimmy Carter, Fidel Castro, socialist countries, Osmama and Pals, and we must not forget, Sadam and his U.N. backers...

ALL are against the United States.

We must be doing something right!



This article comes from Focus on Freedom
http://www.gohotsprings.com/focus/

13 posted on 05/08/2004 7:12:56 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"George Bush scares the hell out of me," one Tory said...

Good. I hope he scares you as much as this George W. scared your great-great-great-grand-Tory pansy- ass ancestors.


14 posted on 05/08/2004 7:13:39 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Everyone talks about how much the world hates President Bush. Does anyone remember when Clinton was just the laughing stock of the world. At least I am not ashamed of who my president is now. I might be if Kerry wins.
15 posted on 05/08/2004 7:13:45 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Kerry's greatest attraction is that he's not George Bush."

Interestingly enough, Bush's greatest attraction--to me--is that he's not Kerry.

International socialism is dead. Europe needs to get over it.

16 posted on 05/08/2004 7:13:55 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I am sooooo friggin' tired of some of these hand-wringing lefties constantly worried about how the Euros see us. I've got a news flash for ya: THEY DIDNT LIKE US TO BEGIN WITH. The hysteria over Iraq has just emboldened them to say what they felt all along to begin with.
17 posted on 05/08/2004 7:14:34 PM PDT by dandi ("No nation ever taxed it's way into prosperity." - R.L.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bush bathes too much for the eurinals' liking and has straight teeth.

Oh, and he's not a freaking pussy.

18 posted on 05/08/2004 7:15:00 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
The NYT is in full and unembarrassed get the President, get Rumsfield, get out of Iraq mode.The Europeans are tiresome.
19 posted on 05/08/2004 7:15:33 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The reason why this is article was even written is because there are no Polls in this Country that have Kerry leading. The NYT's will probably Poll the Taliban next :-)
20 posted on 05/08/2004 7:16:14 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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