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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: saquin
"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Yeah, I'm sure your nephew is gonna come through this smelling like a rose now, you stupid bastard.

481 posted on 05/08/2004 6:06:02 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Can't be members of OUR Congress, they didn't know anything about this. Hope a letter went to Kerry AND Hillary for starters.
482 posted on 05/08/2004 6:08:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: saquin
Just like Vietnam. The ones who brutalized and abused people were caught and in order to shirk the blame they claim "everyone did it". Just like that jerk with Tiger Force Recon who claims they were war criminals.
483 posted on 05/08/2004 6:10:23 AM PDT by Bogey78O (I voted for this tagline... before I voted against it.)
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To: Howlin; Mo1; StriperSniper
2STAR Gen. Miller on FNC now from Iraq.(Press conf.)
484 posted on 05/08/2004 6:10:27 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Condor51
part of his supposed link to the common grunt.
485 posted on 05/08/2004 6:11:01 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: Texasforever
No his pension is the reason he is subject to Military Justice. He could lose a lot more than that pension.

Eh, there are members of the armed forces who are retired but have yet to draw their pension, but are still subject to the UCMJ.

486 posted on 05/08/2004 6:11:56 AM PDT by Recon by Fire
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To: BykrBayb
We are trying to have a thread here. Please take your fights elsewhere as it is disrupting and really stops the trend of posts. I address this to you as yours is the last post I have read so please do not try to draw me in. Just stop the back and forth. It is not shedding light on anything.
487 posted on 05/08/2004 6:15:03 AM PDT by cajungirl (<i>swing low, sweet limousine, comin' fer to Kerry me hoooommmee</i>)
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To: Howlin
"This is what the families are saying: that they were "ordered/forced" to take these pictures to get the prisoners to talk."

Blackmail is a standard method of coercion. So is most of the other stuff. I've heard stories about what was done to some German POWs, so this may be nothing new.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for the Iraqis, no matter what was done to them.

488 posted on 05/08/2004 6:19:26 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: saquin
Hmm. I wonder who those 17 members of Congress were that he wrote to. Could one of them have provided the photos to the press?
489 posted on 05/08/2004 6:22:12 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: GraniteStateConservative
You are jumping the gun. Bush cannot point fingers at the soldiers superiors as there is an investigation going on and that would be "command influence",,he condemned the actions as everyone seems to be doing for one reason or another. Wait and see who gets the biggest price for this and Ii do belive it will be those in charge.
490 posted on 05/08/2004 6:22:31 AM PDT by cajungirl (<i>swing low, sweet limousine, comin' fer to Kerry me hoooommmee</i>)
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To: gdc61
Ok, makes sense.
I guess to Hack's way of thinking, if he wore a DSC or SS pin, it would seem pretentious on his part.

In any case, he's one bitter guy now.

491 posted on 05/08/2004 6:22:32 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: MEG33
Thanks for that information, Meg.
492 posted on 05/08/2004 6:23:15 AM PDT by Peach
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To: saquin
""The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out"

Where has this guy been? The abuse was reported to the press in January by the military. If this guy gave the photos to the press, he's in deep doo-doo. Releasing potential evidence in criminal cases is against the law.

493 posted on 05/08/2004 6:25:07 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Sloth
This came out because it probably technically ruins all legal cases, i.e., the pictures are so vivid that they are automatically convicted (the public having been prejudiced) and the lives of these soldiers ruined no matter whether they are proved innocent or guilty in a court of law. The they will each sue the USA for damages.

It's the old "I'm not responsible for my actions".

494 posted on 05/08/2004 6:25:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Texasforever
There was one memo that recommended gathering all negative war issues and releasing them at a scheduled interval. I will try to find that and pot it tomorrow.

Please ping me when you do. I was not aware of this. Thanks.

495 posted on 05/08/2004 6:27:21 AM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: saquin
" The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders"

I’m beginning to believe this story, that the release was to prevent the seven solders from becoming scapegoats.

Scapegoating is indicative of the worst leadership. I was once a target of it when my Captain lost a TS document that he checked out. He told investigators that he gave to me to return. It was later found behind a drawer in the vault, check back in by him.

I understand the need to practice tough interrogation on terrorists. But I have zero tolerance for scapegoaters and cowards.

496 posted on 05/08/2004 6:27:40 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: mass55th
I'm going to search and see if I can find out which members were sent a letter. If these folks are Dems, you can bet your boots that one went to Hillary.
497 posted on 05/08/2004 6:27:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: All
why can't anyone see these photios were planed to cause the trouble they have....this is pure cliton/devil stuff
498 posted on 05/08/2004 6:30:37 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: Texasforever
"He really,really does not like brass."

Probably because he never got the promotion he thought he was due.

499 posted on 05/08/2004 6:32:30 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Howlin
"This could be a violation of the Geneva Convention."

You're absolutely right. Publishing photographs of prisoners is forbidden by the Geneva Convention isn't it?

500 posted on 05/08/2004 6:34:56 AM PDT by mass55th
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