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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: Howlin
Well! Interesting connection, isn't it? I wonder who ELSE is going to show up in this mess!
361 posted on 05/08/2004 2:15:31 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: TexKat
I remember that the 4th ID was furious with the 82nd for giving Fallujah a free pass after they took over. You may be right, but I tend to think we were going after Fallujah because we knew it was a rats nest. The Blackwater thing just sped things up a bit.

Maybe that's why the GC got involved in this, it's hard to tell.

362 posted on 05/08/2004 2:16:40 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: nopardons
Yes, it would have been smarter to look at END rather than post in middle!!!


Havent' found you & Fled together & chatted for a bit.

I am just trying to catch up on threads & new.. the Rummy one is a monster.. about half way through
363 posted on 05/08/2004 2:17:10 AM PDT by DollyCali ("Trying to keep the Freepers pulling in the same direction is like trying to herd cats." Richard Poe)
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To: leadpenny
Thoughts?

Gee thanks leadpenny. I was beginning to think I was out here all alone.

364 posted on 05/08/2004 2:19:13 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Miss Marple
I am wondering in all of this if it will be an "ashcroft" case or military..Seems like there are civies & military both involved
365 posted on 05/08/2004 2:20:06 AM PDT by DollyCali ("Trying to keep the Freepers pulling in the same direction is like trying to herd cats." Richard Poe)
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To: nopardons
That's frankly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Welcome to the 21st century. Maybe you should just learn to accept the fact that not all women in the military (quite few in fact) are sadistic, peer pressure succumbing bimbos, and that the majority do just as good a job as their male counterparts.

No, I do not belong to NOW. And I absolutely do not believe that women belong in combat arms. (I NEVER EVER want to see that, for the sole reason that I believe it will decrease our fighting capabilities) But I expect that you have some military background to back up your statement and tell me why women are not fit to serve in combat support and combat service support units.

Yes, the integration of women has created some problems. They're the same problems we see happening in regular American society, since the military is pretty much a microchosm of our nation. But aside from the initial ten years while bowing under the pressure of the liberal media, the integration of women has overall been beneficial.
366 posted on 05/08/2004 2:20:47 AM PDT by firedragon (The fundamental American question: "You and what army?")
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To: TexKat
Hi Tex.. you and Ragtime have to be about the most knowledgeable (if you know/read all you post) on most of the details.

I scan when I can but time demands are tight
367 posted on 05/08/2004 2:21:16 AM PDT by DollyCali ("Trying to keep the Freepers pulling in the same direction is like trying to herd cats." Richard Poe)
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To: nopardons
I've never claimed to be even remotely a "good" typist...
I've never claimed to be the typing police either.
If pointing out that you and another poster have the same typing errors is such a problem for you...
Well, so much for constructive criticism.
368 posted on 05/08/2004 2:21:38 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: subedei
It was not up Hack to expose an ongoing investigation that had been announced publically by CentCom.

I would love to tell you about all the boys that McGavin has helped,befriended in this war,the boxes,letters,almost adopting a unit,the flag they sent her,the military sacrifice her family has made,but she wouldn't want me to.
369 posted on 05/08/2004 2:23:55 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Yep.
370 posted on 05/08/2004 2:26:06 AM PDT by Proud Legions
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To: nopardons
...NO ONE should have been allowed into Iraq or Afghanistan with a camera of ANY kind!
YEAH! RIGHT! If there were no cameras of any kind allowed into Iraq or Afghanistan then this whole "prisoner torture" thing would've never been known about! Great idea!
You go girl!
do I need an /sarcasm?
371 posted on 05/08/2004 2:27:48 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: McGavin999
"Hack is trying to relive his youth by bring Vietnam into everything he sees..."

Not only that, he is trying to get even with the military and this time he may have succeeded. I don't know if our aims in Iraq or even President Bush's reelection will survive the damage from this as the media and the Democrats will keep pounding and pounding on this.

Already, IMO, the US made the present arrangement is in Fallujah in response to anticipated fallout from this affair. The seige was lifted on the same day the 60 Minutes report was broadcast. Gen Myer asked CBS to delay the broadcast because of events in Iraq at the time. Fallujah was the main event at the time.

If the scandal tied our hands in Fallujah it may cause us problems elsewhere in Iraq. Resistance in Iraq will no doubt stiffen as rage over this spreads. If at the same time our resolve to meet these threats, or take agressive action is weakened by a fear of more Iraqi outrage, we will fail.

President Bush and Commanders in Iraq must deal decisively with the insugents in spite of the Prisoner abuse. They will have to be strong in spite of the situation.

In the meantime the investigation into the prisoner abuse must be as quick an thorough as possible. If we are lucky, the abuse will be found to localized in this prison by a few individuals, not widespread and not the result of policies of higher command. The people involved are already claiming "they were only following orders" in what they did. If that is true or the perception that it is sticks there will be hell to pay.

We have not heard anything from the Military Intelligence or civilian contractors implicated in the Taguba Report which was leaded to Seymour Hersh for his New Yorker article. I would like to hear their side of this.

372 posted on 05/08/2004 2:29:30 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Barlowmaker
It's a very plausible scenario, but I don't know that the Fallujah operation wasn't proceeding along the "fallback" track anyway.

Would we have gone into Fallujah at the time that we did if the contractors were not murdered? Was that battle already planned? Just asking.

373 posted on 05/08/2004 2:31:23 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I saw a military contractor article,I'll find it and ping you.
374 posted on 05/08/2004 2:31:35 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Barlowmaker
Thanks. Would you agree the plans and mission regarding Fujallah appeared to abruptly change last month?

I'm just looking for possible reasons we backed off. Maybe it was tactical or even strategic and the timing of the coming prison scandal was just a coinkydink.
375 posted on 05/08/2004 2:33:08 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: philman_36
And if we'd kept the women out of the military, none of this would have happened in the first place. Keep the women barefoot and pregnant, and placate them with an occasional reach-around.

/mockery
376 posted on 05/08/2004 2:33:40 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: TexKat
I was beginning to think I was out here all alone.

:-)

377 posted on 05/08/2004 2:35:29 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: DollyCali
Hello DC. Good to hear from you. What are you doing up this time of morning?
378 posted on 05/08/2004 2:35:34 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: MEG33; nopardons
...you crave attention,hie thee to the nearest biker bar.
Nope,that story is old news,but I somehow seem to have missed it.I...
...your assessment and well,your entire post...
...most people easily understand my replies,it seems not to matter ones whit,what you think of my lack of typing skills.

I'll illustrate...
...McGavin has helped,befriended in this war,the boxes,letters,almost adopting a unit,the flag they sent her,the military sacrifice her family has made,but she wouldn't want me to.
I'm talking the exact same thing! Simply uncanny!
379 posted on 05/08/2004 2:36:17 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Nope, nope. Nothin' to see here, folks. Move along.

LOL
380 posted on 05/08/2004 2:38:17 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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