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I'm not a Shell, but the rituals as you remember them are now indeed banned as HAZING by the Navy, because some yahoos didn't know when to stop. It spiraled into abuse, as such things always seem to do.

As for torture, go to this thread, and read the Pentagon's official report. This went WAY beyond mere "pranks". Until you do that, I would ask you to please hold your opinions in check. You do not have all the facts.

If you still think "it was no big deal", then we have nothing further to discuss.

[philman_36]

Until you do that, I would ask you to please hold your opinions in check. You do not have all the facts.
And what the hell makes you think that I've NOT read the report? That's awful damned presumptuous of you.
FR isn't the only place on the net. Yeah, I've got their cookie, but I've got more than one computer to get on the net. Nobody follows me completely.

If you still think "it was no big deal", then we have nothing further to discuss.
I've got plenty to discuss if you're going around saying that "everyone shares the shame". You carry all the shame you want, but don't include me in your little pity party.

And what the hell are you doing flagging poohbah to this for? Can't you address me without somebody holding your hand?

[philman_36]

...go to this thread, and read the Pentagon's official report.
What you've recommended isn't possible. The thread doesn't have the report so it can't be read there. It does have the link to a .pdf file.
You may want to pass along this nice little link which will help those not wanting to have Acrobat on their system...Adobe PDF Conversion by Simple Form
Just copy the .pdf addie (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/prisoner_abuse_pentagon.pdf) in and away you go.

[philman_36]

Oh look, here it is. The link goes like...this, not like this.

[Valin]

Thanks for the link