[TN4Liberty]

I agree with you. Based on what I have seen, prisoners were degraded, humiliated... i.e., attempts were made to "break" them. Isn't this exactly what we expect of our intelligence community? We don't torture for information, but is embarrassment better or worse than sleep deprivation confusion activities?

Either way, it is a long shot from throwing people in plastic shredders, isn't it?

Now, I do think that if these "humiliation" activities took place, they should have had a reason or a purpose. If some soldiers did it for kicks, that would be a different matter. But it is was part of a controlled method to demoralize a prisoner for purposes of getting information, can we say it was a bad thing?

This assumes, of course, that no physical torture occurred.

[mudblood]

"We don't torture for information, but is embarrassment better or worse than sleep deprivation confusion activities?"

We should torture. And embarassment is great as a "we're going to do this if you don't" kind of method. Sleep deprevation is what you do when the prisoners are too secure in their sexuality to be humiliated.

[PISANO]

If some soldiers did it for kicks, that would be a different matter

Not only do I agree that the bozos who did these sophmoric acts be court-martialed but that everyone in the COC up to and including the one star General be relieved of duty and reprimanded accordingly.

While I could care less what happened to the ENEMY I do care what happens to our MILITARY and WHAT these few did BRINGS disgrace on our honorable TROOPS. And as was long ago when I served, the media will do all in it's power to run with a story like this and embelish it as far as possible.

Case in point. The MEDIA is already calling this incident a SYSTEMATIC problem with our MILITARY CULTURE. Of course they mean THIS HORRIBLE CULTURE is being fed from the very top. SecDef and the POTUS!!