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A Toomey/Specter Epitaph
self | 05/01/04 | joanie-f

Posted on 05/01/2004 4:52:58 PM PDT by joanie-f

I've written extensively about the Toomey/Specter race here on the forum over the past month. I'm sure that some of my FR friends are secretly wishing that I would switch gears and focus on something else for a change (and, to that end, I am making a promise right now -- that this will be my last comment on the race, unless someone else brings up an aspect of it that I cannot help but respond to :).

Yes, the Pennsylvania Republican primary is now history. But I sincerely believe that there are lessons of significant future relevance to be learned, on a national scale, and ones that every state can use as a barometer for primaries within its own borders. So I would like, one last time, to put at least some aspects of this primary under a political microscope.

The political climate in this country has become so clouded so as to prevent the average American citizen from sorting through the fog on his own in order to know where he stands on anything these days. But it doesn't have to be that way. And the Toomey/Specter race was a sterling example of what happens when the fog becomes so thick that you can't see your hand in front of your face.

Whenever I have to make a political decision, I always fall back on the mindset of the Founders of our republic (especially their determination to preserve the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). I truly believe their vision was incomparably profound in its simplicity. At the very core of their vision, they held five premises to be sacred and immutable:

(1) individual liberty is not compromisable

(2) along with liberty, the sanctity of life is not compromisable

And, in order to protect and ensure the above:

(3) American law and justice cannot be over-ridden by international law or treaties

(4) American sovereignty must be preserved from outside interference of any kind

(5) the expressly limited to a few enumerated powers authority of government must remain in the hands of the people

Of course there are countless more minor ramifications, but I believe that the Founders' vision, and the incomparable personal sacrifices they made in our behalf, focused largely on those five immutable premises.

Their blueprint is timeless. We need to ignore the (often purposefully created) fog that envelopes American politics today and, when making decisions on which (local/state/national) candidate to support, or where we stand on a specific issue, we must simply seek out the answer to the question, 'How does this particular issue relate to those five premises?' In doing so, we will find the answer to any and all modern political questions (resting secure in the belief that the Founders were the courageous, dedicated, visionary geniuses that they were).

If you agree with the above, stick with me a little longer ..

Let's look at this week's Toomey/Specter race.

The 'fog' in this particular skirmish took the form of dishonest television advertising, cross-over registrations, confusing endorsements and obfuscating statements made by local and national leaders, the often colored opinions of media 'experts' and pundits, concerns about who could or could not win against the democrat opponent in November, etc., etc. ad infinitum ...

And a pretty thick fog it was.

Wading through it, let's focus on (1)-(5) above:

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(1) Which of the candidates champions individual liberty?

Encroachments on individual liberty come in many forms: physical, social, economic.

One of the candidates has championed some of the largest tax increases in our history, and has also more often than not been on the side of those who would vote down, or dilute, tax cut bills. The other candidate has never voted for a tax increase.

One of the candidates consistently works under the belief that the government better knows how to spend our money, and that it is within the government's authority to redistribute a significant portion of wealth from the haves to the have nots (and from the workers and producers to the non-workers and non-producers). The other consistently votes to allow us the freedom to keep the fruits of our labors, believing that we know best how to spend our own hard earned money.

One of the candidates voted against requiring a supermajority (2/3 vote) in Congress to raise taxes. The other voted to require a supermajority for any future tax increases.

One of the candidates believes that it is within government's authority to require businesses to hire employees based on their minority race, sexual orientation or national origin -- and that organizations (such as the Boy Scouts of America) which promote the welfare of children should also be required by government to place such minorities in leadership positions. The other champions the rights of individuals and businesses to hire on merit those workers they believe will benefit them and their business, and to have their children associate with people of whom they approve.

One of the candidates votes consistently for National Education Association-supported legislation and opposes school choice. The other more often than not votes against NEA-supported bills and strongly supports school choice.

(2) Which of the candidates believes in the sanctity of life?

One of the candidates has consistently supported Roe vs. Wade, has consistently voted against a ban on partial birth abortions, recently voted with pro-choice democrats to obstruct passage of a ban on PBAs, and always votes for taxpayer funding of abortion. The other has consistently opposed Roe vs. Wade, was the original co-sponsor of a ban on partial birth abortion, and always opposes taxpayer-funding of abortion.

One of the candidates joined Diane Feinstein and Ted Kennedy in writing legislation to research the viability of human cloning. The other was the co-sponsor of legislation to ban the concept of human cloning.

(3) Which of the candidates reveres American law and justice, and has pledged not to allow international law to take precedence?

One of the candidates was the only Republican senator to support subjecting American soldiers to trial in international criminal court. The other vehemently opposes any American military personnel falling under international criminal court jurisdiction.

One of the candidates led the crusade to prevent the appointment of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court, on the grounds that he was a strict interpreter of the original intent of the Constitution. The other has a clear record of supporting only justices who believe in original intent.

One of the candidates backed down from taking a stand during the Clinton impeachment proceedings, and conveniently invoked an obscure Scottish Law which allows for a 'not proven' vote. The other supported the impeachment and conviction of Bill Clinton.

One of the candidates consistently votes against legislation which would reform the out-of-control medical malpractice insurance system, and which would drastically limit the income and political power of trial lawyers. The other is in the forefront of efforts to reform the medical malpractice insurance system and to curtail the economic and political power of trial lawyers.

One of the candidates consistently votes against caps in product liability lawsuits. The other consistently supports product liability lawsuit reform.

(4) Which candidate's record exhibits a respect for, and a determination to defend, America's sovereignty?

One of the candidates consistently votes to slash defense spending -- and often does not cite deficit reduction, but rater the more urgent need for domestic federal programs, as his rationale. He also believes that crimes against homosexuals and bisexuals should be treated more severely than those committed against heterosexuals, and has often voiced the opinion that a good place from which to find the money to fund hate crimes legislation is by cutting the defense budget. The other consistently votes for increased defense appropriations and military pay raises (and altogether opposes hate crimes legislation).

(5) Which candidate genuinely believes in the phrase government of the people, by the people and for the people -- and therefore consistently votes so as to limit the power of the federal government over the lives of its citizens?

See (1) through (4) above.

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If we are not to submit to government obscured by purposeful diversions, every American needs to look within himself for the relevance of those five all-important premises in any political/ballot decision he makes. He cannot look to Madison Avenue advertising to clear the fog away. He cannot rely on politicians themselves (whose words are often carefully crafted based solely on political expediency) to answer those questions for him. And he cannot allow himself to be convinced by ulterior motive convincers, no matter how loud their voices or how often their pronouncements are repeated, that concerns outside of those five premises somehow must take priority.

A significant portion of the 50.6% of Pennsylvania Republicans who pulled the lever next to Specter's name took their eyes off of the Founders' vision on Tuesday. Either they allowed themselves to be taken in by lies of convenience, or they allowed others with a purely political agenda to do their thinking for them.

I believe American citizens must also use the above (1)-(5) litmus test in determining the honesty, and genuine dedication to the good of our republic (as opposed to caving in to political expediency, or the amassing of personal power), of their already elected officials. When someone in public office takes a stand on an issue, or supports a candidate, is he doing so because the goals of (1)-(5) will be furthered, or because other more corrosive political considerations are taking precedence?

As regards President Bush's and Senator Santorum's recent endorsement of Arlen Specter, I believe thick political fog took precedence over the Founders' vision. They will have to answer for that, to their constituents and their consciences.

If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and temperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true republican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honor of the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men possessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of government, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent foundation ... Samuel Adams, 1780.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: bush; conservative; constitution; election; eternalwhining; pa; pennsylvania; primary; santorum; specter; toomey; whine4purity
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To: F16Fighter
Yes, disgusting, but what -- a boil doesn't "cause pain and discomfort"??

I wouldn’t know. Being a lady, I've never had one. :)

But a boil has to be an integral part of its host in order to cause the pain and discomfort. I, for one, want nothing to do with being an integral part of a leftist/socialist. That is even more disgusting than the idea of being a boil to begin with.

On the other hand, a burr enjoys the most definite advantage of being entirely apart/separate from the creature it wishes to torment – but can still cause pain and discomfort from without. And … it also has the advantage of mobility (can change positions so as to alternate pain sites, and keep the victim guessing where the next point of attack will be).

I believe this thread has reached bottom of the barrel status for tonight. Let's hope any new respondents tomorrow will improve the quality of the posts. (You and I have certainly digressed to an almost criminal degree … :)

Good night (and thanks for my last smile of the day) …

~ joanie

101 posted on 05/01/2004 9:16:44 PM PDT by joanie-f (All that we know and love depends on three simple things: sunlight, soil, and the fact that it rains)
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To: DameAutour
Excellent Post!

I've been mulling this over for days and have decided to support Hoeffel. (Not financially, of course, since it would be sinful to give even a dime to an abortionist). I'm going to start by changing my tag line.

Thanks!
102 posted on 05/01/2004 9:25:13 PM PDT by rhinohunter (Hoeffel for Senate!!!)
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To: joanie-f
Thanks for writing this. I am too tired to comment because I have been busy working on campaigns for principled people.

I would love to see every single RINO defeated here in Idaho even if it had to be to a democrat.
103 posted on 05/01/2004 10:13:26 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: FairOpinion
One more time and do it slowly for FairOpinion so that she can understand. Repeat after me:

PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT CALIFORNIA
104 posted on 05/01/2004 10:24:21 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I wouldn't go that far, but I secretly hope Specter loses in the general.

It's not a secret anymore.
Hoping a Democrat wins the general election pretty much wipes out an pretense of caring about conservative causes.

105 posted on 05/01/2004 10:25:42 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: prisoner6
I'm seriously considering voting for Hoeffel just to get rid of Arlen.

Sounds like those who say they would vote for Kerry just to get rid of Bush.
So much for the premise of ever caring about Republicans or conservatives...vote for Dems if it makes you feel better.

106 posted on 05/01/2004 10:29:31 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Delphinium
I would love to see every single RINO defeated here in Idaho even if it had to be to a democrat.

What could be more RINO than to hope Dems will defeat Republicans. The hypocrisy in this thread is just astounding.

107 posted on 05/01/2004 10:34:25 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: prisoner6; GeneralHavoc; SamInTheBurgh; Dales; jim_g_goldwing; smokeyb; martin_fierro
Ping to an excellent analysis.
108 posted on 05/01/2004 10:35:01 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: DameAutour
From another thread that I posted to:

These are ACU (American Conservative Union) ratings.

Hillary, our acknowledged enemy is an 11 (out of 100, not out of 10 - I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea.)

Specter, our supposed friend is a 43 (lifetime) on that same scale. He's better than Hillary, but worse than some democrats. Specter is with us when we don't need him, not when we do.

Keep in mind, this rating is with a serious swing to the right every 6 years for a year. Can you imagine how bad it will be when he doesn't have to worry about republicans or conservatives again?

Hoeffel is an 8 - Horrible, absolutely horrible. No doubt about it. But he won't chair the SJC. He won't chair the appropriations committee next year. And we will be able to defeat him next time.

John Kyl (AZ) is a 97. If Specter is gone, he's in line to chair the judiciary committee.

Do the math:

In the Senate overall, we go from 43 down to 8. (-35)

In the Judiciary Chairmanship, we go from 43 UP to 97 (+54)

To me, maybe not to Bush and Santorum and some here, but to me, that is a net gain where it really counts.

That's why Specter needs to go, even in November and even to this radical socialist democrat.
109 posted on 05/01/2004 10:41:31 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
" You're already on my Stalwart Conservatives list"

If that's a ping list, please add me to it. Thanks.

If not, put me on it anyway.

110 posted on 05/01/2004 10:43:16 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: FairOpinion
Yes, all the fine "grass roots conservatives" are the best friends the Democrats could have. Proof positive: California.

Well said!
No way those who wish Dems to win in November are or ever have been any kind of conservatives to begin with.

111 posted on 05/01/2004 10:45:02 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge; FairOpinion
And along comes Jorge to repeat FairOpinion's tired and false claims.

Preventing Specter from sitting as the Chairman of the Judicairy IS conservative.

Removing a RINO from a position of power IS conservative.
112 posted on 05/01/2004 10:55:51 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Badray; FairOpinion
And along comes Jorge to repeat FairOpinion's tired and false claims.

And along comes Badray to complain that anybody dare agree with FairOpinion,(waaaahhh!) without even attempting to address, much less refute anything that either has posted.

Removing a RINO from a position of power IS conservative.

Not when you're helping to give Dems back a majority in the Senate. That's EVEN WORSE than being a RHINO.

113 posted on 05/01/2004 11:07:27 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
You came to the party late. We have been rebutting her claims. You are assuming that the Dems will win 80% of the senate races in November. Only you and Terry McAuliffe believe that.

Since I've never seen you and Terry McAuliffe together, how do I know that you aren't Terry McAuliffe?
114 posted on 05/01/2004 11:16:11 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: joanie-f
Thanks for this excellent analysis and your support for Pat. I don't know how I've ever missed you in all this time (at least I don't remember us ever bumping into each other before). I know that Jeff Head thinks highly of you and that alone is recommendation enough for me.

If you have a ping list, please add me to it. I do like the way that you think.

I'm not really a wild, crazy radical although I do sometimes play one on FR. And in real life too, I suppose. I have been working to get Pat elected (perhaps) before Pat even knew that he was running - 3 years now. My animosity towards Specter is because of his politics. I know plenty of jerks and he is one, but this isn't personal. I truly belief that the radical socialist that Joe Hoeffel is cannot do the damage that Arlen can do.
115 posted on 05/01/2004 11:24:11 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
Thanks for the heads up.

I've come to tolerate the habitual cackling and try to gain insight from each reply posted.

Sharpens my senses with regard to the scent of moderation.

116 posted on 05/01/2004 11:27:22 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Badray
You came to the party late. We have been rebutting her claims.

Sure you have. That explains your weak/non-response to my post agreeing with her.

You are assuming that the Dems will win 80% of the senate races in November. Only you and Terry McAuliffe believe that.

Show me a single post where I have EVER said I believe Dems will win 80% of the senate races in November.
YOU CAN'T. I've never said such a thing.

Since I've never seen you and Terry McAuliffe together, how do I know that you aren't Terry McAuliffe?

Wow..what a powerful rebutal!

First you assign me positions I have NEVER taken, and then you parrot the name "Terry McAuliffe! Terry McAuliffe! Terry McAuliffe!" at me.

Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?

117 posted on 05/01/2004 11:30:50 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: joanie-f
Great post to use as more ammunition for my sons' home schooling. Saving to CIVICS folder :)
I am a real conservative, and our President should be literally ashamed of himself for backing Specter..because I am ashamed of him!!!
118 posted on 05/01/2004 11:55:37 PM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: Prolifeconservative
Bump
119 posted on 05/02/2004 4:00:34 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: NMC EXP; joanie-f
The "fog" is called "argument by non-essential", and it is not innocent; It's a logical attack designed to change the subject from the important to the trivial so the attacker can sneak something past you. It's like a smoke screen or diversionary tactic in a war.

For example, when interviewing liberal (or RINO) canditate for office, a reporter, instead of asking the candidate, "What do you see as the proper function of government in a free society?, will ask "Do you wear boxers or briefs?" (We wouldn't want him to actually answer the first question in public, now would we?)

When given a clear choice, Americans never vote for bigger government and less freedom. Never. Those in power know this, so they see to it that the people are simply not given a clear choice.

The "mainstream" media are willing and eager accomplices in this great mass deception. Don Henley had them pegged in his song Dirty Laundry:

We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When it’s said and done we haven’t told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!

There is an epidemic of ignorance in modern America. Americans are not stupid, but their minds are numbed and unfocused. But just as in any epidemic, a doctor can't cure it all by herself - she can only cure it one person at a time.

Dr. F, you cured the people you talked to, and they will cure other people. In time, we can cure this epidemic. The battle for preserving the American system of government (as our founders created it) is worth the fight.

120 posted on 05/02/2004 4:35:00 AM PDT by snopercod (I used to be disgusted. Then I became amused. Now I'm disgusted again.)
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