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Britain could be forced out of the EU, warns Chirac
The Times ^ | April 29, 2004 | CHARLES BREMNER IN PARIS

Posted on 04/29/2004 3:42:40 PM PDT by Eurotwit

Britain could be forced to leave the European Union if its voters reject the proposed new constitution in a referendum, President Chirac suggested today.

The French leader, who is resisting pressure to commit himself to a referendum in France, noted that if any state failed to ratify the constitutional treaty then none of the other members would be able legally to ratify it either - scuppering the whole project.

At a press conference to convince a sceptical France of the merits of the expanded EU, M Chirac referred to proposals aired in Brussels and Berlin that would require member nations to ratify the constitution or leave the EU.

This could be a "positive solution", said M Chirac. "I am not against the idea of using methods of friendly persuasion with countries that are refusing the constitution, because that blocks all the others."

Made in answer to a question about Britain, M Chirac's remarks reflected his exasperation over Tony Blair's decision to put the constitution to a risky plebiscite.

The President said that he was confident that the constitution would be settled by leaders in June. He insisted that he would not be rushed into a French referendum, but would take a decision after the treaty was signed and then examined - probably next year - by the French constitutional authority.

M Chirac said that Britain was in a different situation from France because it did not have a written constitution. He said he had no comment on Mr Blair's "political decision", but added: "I do not imagine that England could find itself in the situation of having to leave Europe."

He also kicked into the long grass the prospect of Turkish membership of the Union. EU leaders are expected to approve entry negotiations with Turkey in December, but Ankara's membership remains highly unpopular in France, where it has been rejected outright by M Chirac's own Union for a Popular Majority (UPM) party.

"Turkey is destined to be an EU member but is not ready and will probably not enter the EU for ten to 15 years," said M Chirac.

M Chirac's Turkish chill contrasted with the glowing image that he depicted of the enlarged Union as he sought to assuage fears that France was losing influence in a Europe of 25 members.

"With its 450 million inhabitants, the Union is asserting itself as a first-class economic power, where growth and investment will create a new dynamic in the service of employment," he said. Fears that the French identity would be "diluted or abandoned" were unfounded, he said.

EU polls show France to be the most hostile of existing member states towards Saturday's "big bang" expansion, but a French national survey this week showed that 64 per cent are now in favour.

Pressure is building from across the French political spectrum for a popular vote on the Constitution rather than ratification by Parliament. According to polls, 75 per cent of the public want a popular vote. The President is reluctant to stage one because of the strong possibility of a 'no' from a public that is unhappy with his presidency.

Mr Blair's referendum has raised the stakes for M Chirac, whose personal popularity has sunk 11 points to 44 percent over the past month.

Talk of the possibility of Britain effectively voting itself out of the EU has become widespread in Europe since Mr Blair's surprise decision.

French, German and other politicians from core EU states say they would regret a British departure but a 'no' would finally end the continent's patience with Britain's semi-detachment to the EU and its historic resistance to deeper integration.

A more diplomatic version was voiced in London yesterday by Valery Giscard d'Estaing, the former French President who led drafting of the constitution treaty.

"In the case of a 'no', "Britain will not be in the core of the system, but at the margin of the system," he said.

Under a"ratify-or-leave" scheme devised by the EU Commission, the 25 member states would first approve and ratify a separate treaty which gave countries two years to endorse the Constitution or give up membership. Departing states would retain their existing EU rights on trade and movement as associate members like Norway and Switzerland.

However, this scheme is highly unlikely to come about because of the initial need for approval by all member states.

M Chirac makes regular television appearances and holds frequent media briefings, but his 90-minute session in the Elysee's gilded Salle des Fetes, was a rare exercise in the tradition of set-piece press conferences that were founded in the late 1950s by the late President de Gaulle.

He used the occasion to reassert his authority after his Government, led by Jean-Pierre Raffarin, suffered a hammering in national regional elections last month. He restated his confidence in M Raffarin and attempted to reassure the country that the Government could meet his promises to soften cuts in the welfare state, while also shrinking the budget deficit that has put France in Brussels' bad books.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eu; euconstitution; europeanunion
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To: McGavin999
I think that is largely right.

The ironic thing (if I remember correctly) is that in 1972 when the UK had its referendum to join the EU (EEC) it was the opposite, and it largely contributed to Britain joining.

41 posted on 04/29/2004 4:43:34 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Wolfhound777
"Britians sovereignty depends on them staying out of the EU."

Britain is presently in the UK. (They haven't yet adopted the Euro currency.)

"Staying out" seems to not be an option.

"Getting out" would be.
42 posted on 04/29/2004 4:47:37 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Eurotwit
Good, I like our friends to be our friends.

(p.s. I like the word, scuppering.)

43 posted on 04/29/2004 4:57:01 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: 45Auto
Euro-flation is a very real phenomenon which the European central bank has fought very hard to conceal.

With rare exception, the EU is still in recession and will remain so for the forseable future.
44 posted on 04/29/2004 4:58:15 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Timocrat
So M Chirac is torqued because Tony Blair is acting like an elected leader of a soverign nation instead of a EU elitist bureaucrat. If Chirac wants to boot Britain, we should welcome them into NAFTA. Maybe they could help us by taking a few Mexican immigrants and sending their Muslim extremist population packing.
46 posted on 04/29/2004 5:28:09 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Eurotwit
Britain should run, while it still can, from the EU.
47 posted on 04/29/2004 5:30:25 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Eurotwit
"Please don't throw me into that briar patch!"
48 posted on 04/29/2004 5:32:45 PM PDT by Freakazoid (Freaking zoids since 1998.)
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To: Eurotwit
They could become our 51st. state.
49 posted on 04/29/2004 5:39:08 PM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: GulliverSwift; MegaSilver
If you use the true technical meaning of Aryan (e.g., include Iranians and Pakistanis and Indians, for example) then it will be Aryan too.
50 posted on 04/29/2004 5:48:10 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: RobertSacamano
Laughing about your reply and moving the UK here.

I just took my 8 year old grandaughter to Concord,Mass to tell her about the American revolution and the Redcoats(since they don't seem to care about teaching this in her very liberal school system).

I'd like to try to explain the paddling of the UK westward and attaching it to the US.



51 posted on 04/29/2004 5:48:55 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Eurotwit
This is an example of why the European Union is doomed to failure. The EU goal is to run every detail in its member states, to the point of micromanagement. Outside of France, Germany, and Belgium, the EU is going to be running into varying degrees of resistance. So the EU's response to such resistance, objections to micromanagement from Brussels, what have you, will likely be Brussels getting more heavy handed, instead of reliquishing power to local control regarding local concerns. Thus, the EU will eventually collapse into a bloody mess (likely war?),
52 posted on 04/29/2004 5:55:39 PM PDT by Fred Hayek
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To: Eurotwit
Great Britain is too good a nation to be mixed up with those Euro-creeps. Consider for a moment that in 1940, when France was overrun by the Nazis, they not only capitulated willingly but agree to work with the Nazis for the defeat of Britain. This despite the fact that Britain vowed to fight for their liberation "to the end." When France was busy trying to surrender to Germany, the RAF tried to launch a bombing raid from a French airfield. What did the French do? They parked trucks in the middle of the runways so that the British planes couldn't take off! They didn't want to "anger" the Germans (who were in the process of destroying their country).

I can go on and on with the treachery of France. While England was left all alone to fight France's battle, the Vichy French were busy keeping their naval fleet out of British hands and actively working with the Nazis to bring on England's defeat. Still, the English continued the fight and eventually, with an assist from the USA, liberated France. The result being that the French now hate the Americans as much as the British.

I say that England should tell the EU to go screw. Instead, Great Britain ought to get together with the U.S.A., Australia, New Zealand, Canada (minus Quebec) and form an economic union of "English Speaking Countries."

I think this was a dream of Winston Churchill, perhaps the greatest man to live in the 20th century.

53 posted on 04/29/2004 5:57:03 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: Eurotwit
Good, let us split the EU in half, with one competing against the other. Chiraq can then curl up eating his own arms.
54 posted on 04/29/2004 6:21:52 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Eurotwit
What an obnoxious little wannabe dictator. Save yourself Britain! This is a golden final opportunity to avoid the Euro cesspool!
55 posted on 04/29/2004 6:46:57 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Eurotwit
Excellent news. Better Great Britain simply not join the EU under its new constitution, than for us to have to go rescue them from military occupation by the Axis of Weasels.
56 posted on 04/29/2004 9:07:13 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: SamAdams76
"I say that England should tell the EU to go screw."

As originally conceived, the EU was to be a free trade union. It has grown to be so much more, and with that comes heavy baggage.

It is not useful to single out just Britain, as being "too good" for the present EU. Most nations have joined. (But not Switzerland, Norway, Iceland--to date; maybe I missed some non-joiners).

If they all opted to revert back to the original purpose ONLY it would be okay with me. Notice Oil Rich Norway keeps her 4 million souls free, from subsidizing poorer nations, by staying OUT. Same for Switzerland.
57 posted on 04/29/2004 11:29:45 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Eurotwit
Under a"ratify-or-leave" scheme devised by the EU Commission, the 25 member states would first approve and ratify a separate treaty which gave countries two years to endorse the Constitution or give up membership. Departing states would retain their existing EU rights on trade and movement as associate members like Norway and Switzerland.

And the down-side of this is?

58 posted on 04/30/2004 3:21:32 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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