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Noah's Ark Found? Turkey Expedition Planned For Summer
National Geographic News ^ | 4-27-2004 | Hillary Mayall

Posted on 04/28/2004 1:17:42 PM PDT by blam

Noah's Ark Found? Turkey Expedition Planned for Summer

Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
April 27, 2004

Satellite pictures taken last summer of Mount Ararat in Turkey may reveal the final resting place of Noah's ark, according to Daniel McGivern, the businessman and Christian activist behind a planned summer 2004 expedition to investigate the site. "We're telling people we're 98 percent sure," said McGivern, a member of the Hawaii Christian Coalition. "In one image we saw the beams, saw the wood. I'm convinced that the excavation of the object and the results of tests run on any collected samples will prove that it is Noah's ark. "

This satellite image of Mount Ararat in Turkey shows what looks like a large object emerging from melting snow. An expedition is planned to visit the site to see if it is Noah's Ark.

Image Courtesy Shamrock/DigitalGlobe

McGivern wrote a list in his Bible more than 20 years ago of ten great projects. Finding Noah's ark was at the top of his list.

McGivern began his quest in earnest in 1995, when the publication of a book on the topic moved him to arrange for satellite images to be taken of Mount Ararat.

Attempts to take satellite images in previous years had been foiled by clouds, unavailability of imaging equipment, and lack of image resolution. But the attempts had helped pinpoint the location. In the summer of 2003, everything came together.

"Last year was the hottest summer in Europe since 1500; more than 21,000 people died of the heat wave," McGivern said. "The summer melt was far more extensive than it has been in years."

DigitalGlobe, a commercial satellite-imagery company, confirmed that they took the images that McGivern is using.

An international team of archaeologists, forensic scientists, geologists, glaciologists, and others is being recruited to investigate the site sometime between July 15 and August 15.

Ahmet Arslan, a professor in Turkey who has climbed the mountain 50 times in 40 years, will lead the expedition. Arslan reported an eyewitness sighting of the ark and took a photograph in 1989 from about 220 yards (200 meters) away. However, he couldn't get any closer, and the picture is not definitive.

"We hope to assemble what we're calling the Dream Team," Arslan said. "The slopes are very, very harsh and dangerous on the northern face—it is extremely challenging, mentally and physically."

Noah's Ark

The story of Noah's ark is told in the Book of Genesis. It says God saw how corrupt the Earth had become and decided to "bring floodwaters on the Earth to destroy all life under the heavens." God is said to have told Noah, an honorable man, to build an ark 450 feet (137 meters) long, 75 feet (23 meters) wide, and 45 feet (14 meters) high, and fill it with two of every species on the Earth. It reportedly rained for 40 days and 40 nights. After about seven months, the waters receded, and the ark came to rest, according to the Bible.

Three major world religions—Christianity, Judaism, and Islam—believe in Noah and his ark. Reports of ark sightings have been numerous. Witnesses often describe an old wooden structure sticking out of the snow and ice near the summit of Mount Ararat.

Despite the numerous sightings and rumors—of pictures taken by the CIA and locked in vaults, of lost photographs taken by a Russian expedition at the behest of Tsar Nicholas Alexander in 1918—no scientific evidence of the ark has emerged.

"On the one hand, I'm hopeful. On the other hand, I'm very skeptical" of the validity of the satellite images, said Rex Geissler, president of ArcImaging (Archaeological Imaging Research Consortium). "There is no publicly available picture that readily shows a man-made object that has any clarity whatsoever … Some of the photos are outright misrepresentations, non-scientific, and do not prove anything.

"We think that with the hundreds of explorers who have visited the region, if the ark was jutting out of the ice, it would be obvious."

ArcImaging was the first organization to receive permission from the Turkish government to survey the mountain since 1981. The archaeological research organization conducted a preliminary investigation of the icecap using ground-penetrating radar in 2001.

The Search Continues

The Bible states that Noah landed in the region of the ancient kingdom Urartu. Mount Ararat (its name probably a corrupted version of Urartu) has been the focus of those seeking the ark because it—at 17,000 feet (5,165 meters)—is the highest point in the area.

A volcanic mountain, Ararat is covered by an icecap from 14,000 feet (4,300 meters) to 17,000 feet (5,200 meters). The icecap is about 17 square miles (44 square kilometers) in size and is as deep as 300 feet (90 meters).

Known to locals as Agri Dagi—Turkish for "mountain of pain"— Ararat is not easy to access. Located in eastern Turkey—close to the borders of Armenia and Iran, and only 150 miles (240 kilometers) from Iraq—the region is politically volatile and often dangerous. Much of the region is part of a military zone, and getting permission to explore it is extremely difficult.

The ArcImaging team hopes to visit the region to continue their mapping of the icecap this summer.

McGivern is optimistic his group will also be on the face of the mountain this summer. He and Arslan met last week with the Turkish ambassador to the U.S. Arslan, who at one time worked in the Turkish prime minister's office, plans to meet with the prime minister next week.

"The ark is broken into a minimum of three pieces, up to six, from a huge earthquake that occurred in 1840. But it's been miraculously preserved. The satellite imagery shows vertical beams, and one horizontal beam," McGivern said.


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KEYWORDS: ark; catastrophism; expedition; godsgravesglyphs; noahs; noahsark; summer; turkey
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To: Preachin'
I don't know if that is speaking of the whole earth or just the part Noah could observe. I don't know that it matters.

The animals obviously made it down the mountain. I think there are a lot of miracles that occur on a daily basis. That there must have been a safe path down the mountain probably was due to direct design by God. But like so many miracles that we take for granted every day, it's not unusual enough to be mentioned.
81 posted on 04/29/2004 6:22:48 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
"The testimony of the whole nation of Israel which accepted the books as fact. "

That's evidence that they accepted the books as fact, but not evidence that the books themselves are the Word of God.

"Census records of Egypt which show a dramatic population decline about the time of the Exodus. "

No argument about the historical fact of the Egyptian captivity of the Jewish people. That isn't a matter of Biblical faith.


"Archeological digs which continue to support the Bible as historical accurate. "

No argument there.

"Evidence that the whole area around Egypt converted from polytheism to monotheism at the time of the Exodus. "


Still not evidence of divine inspiration by Moses.


"A natural underwater land bridge or reef stretching across the Red Sea which incidently connects to the one area on the Egyptian side which could have been blocked by a pillar of fire. "

Prrof that the actions of God aren't supernatural? I like it!


"Evidence that Israel did fight and win battles that were substantially against the odds, including the recent ones of the 19th century. "

Don't forget the ones of the 20th century!


"Evidence that Israel as a nation was put into captivity repeatedly and yet survived and were regathered into a nation. Again the most recent example being the 19th century following almost 2000 years of exile. That that happens to Israel repeatedly is amazing enough, but it was also foretold by God. "

I'd have to see the exact phrases of this prophecy before giving it validity. So much of prophecy comes across (to me) as horoscope-like: If you look at something in enough different ways, you can make it appear to be prophetic. See Nostradamus for an example of this. I don't believe in his ramblings, btw.


"Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: ... 28:41 - Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

Deuteronomy 30:3 - That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. "


Using the writings of a book to prove the book itself is circular reasoning.



"It takes more faith not to believe."

I respectfully disagree. I think God's test is to provide as little 'real', provable data as possible, making complete Faith the true test of a believer.

I've enjoyed our exchange here!
82 posted on 04/29/2004 7:01:37 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
"That's evidence that they accepted the books as fact, but not evidence that the books themselves are the Word of God."

It is unlikely that they would have been accepted as fact, if Israel had not witnessed the miracles that were performed. They were accepted because grandparents told their children and their grandchildren what they saw with their own eyes.

The first five books of the Bible which are attributed to Moses repeatedly refer to writing things down. If these things had either not been written as claimed or had been written but Israel had not collective memory of them it is not likely they would have been accepted.

Still not evidence of divine inspiration by Moses.

The evidence of the devine inspiration are the miracles that God did and the prophecies that Moses wrote.

Don't forget the ones of the 20th century!

Busted!!! lol

"I'd have to see the exact phrases of this prophecy before giving it validity. So much of prophecy comes across (to me) as horoscope-like: If you look at something in enough different ways, you can make it appear to be prophetic. See Nostradamus for an example of this. I don't believe in his ramblings, btw. "

Well you can look them up. I gave you the references. Go to www.bible.com and look them up or search on the word captivity.

I think you will find a big difference in the quality of prophecy in the Bible from the likes of Nostradamus. Not only does the Bible have a phenomenal success rate, you can usually make clear since of what the prophecy means. The following pages highlight just some of the many fulfilled prophecies of the Bible.

Fulfilled Old Testament Prophecies

Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus - A very informative read.

83 posted on 04/29/2004 7:33:14 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
"I think you will find a big difference in the quality of prophecy in the Bible from the likes of Nostradamus. Not only does the Bible have a phenomenal success rate, you can usually make clear since of what the prophecy means."


Well, that certainly does separate the Bible from the horoscopical 'predictions' of Nostradamus, most of which can be interpreted to mean many events that have or have not occurred. I'll check into those links you provided and thank you for your interesting responses.
84 posted on 04/29/2004 7:46:28 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
Chapter 19 is what I was trying to link to in that second link on the Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
85 posted on 04/29/2004 8:18:24 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Obviously, the Yeti helped him.

Maybe it was an excuse for Noah to have 120 big fun camping trips!

Oh, funny funny.
86 posted on 04/29/2004 2:39:06 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: DannyTN; Preachin'
Well there are possibilities.

And one other:
It's the wrong darn mountain.
According to Gen 8:4 It's "the mountains of Ararat"

Historically Ararat (or Uratu) was the mountainous region centred on Lake Van to the immediate north of Ninevah (the present Mt Ararat being on the extreme north of the Uratu region).

Of course the the fact that the Ark has not been found in the populated area around lake Van must mean it's hidden on inaccessible Mt Ararat (or it's nowhere to be found at all) right?

87 posted on 04/30/2004 1:31:19 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: RightWhale
Arkeologists are easily encouraged. I have an Indiana Jones hat, can I come, too?

Psssst, I've got a line on a piece of the True Cross! It's for sale and I'm going to snap it up as soon as my Nigerian friends come through with the money they're gonna give me.

88 posted on 04/30/2004 1:44:22 AM PDT by Heatseeker
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To: Oztrich Boy
"It's the wrong darn mountain."

Absolutely that is very much a possibility.

Of course the the fact that the Ark has not been found in the populated area around lake Van must mean it's hidden on inaccessible Mt Ararat (or it's nowhere to be found at all) right?

Well, I'd don't know that I trust history enough to say that either Lake Van or Mt Ararat is right or wrong. So it may be somewhere else, or it may indeed be nowhere to found.


89 posted on 04/30/2004 8:15:10 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Heatseeker
Special deal $5 today only--barb of the Scourge, and the Sponge, presentation boxed set.
90 posted on 04/30/2004 9:15:27 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: ASA Vet
"Where is Mount Nissir, and how far is it from Mount Ararat?"

Mount Nissir is now known as Mount Nimush. It is in Southern Kurdistan...I'll let you figure out the distance. I'm guessing not to far away from Ararat.

91 posted on 05/04/2004 9:14:58 PM PDT by blam
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With modern power tools it took over 300 man-years of labor to build each of the Ark 'replicas'.

92 posted on 10/28/2018 11:12:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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