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Kerry Bronze Star Certificate signature questioned. Investigation warranted?
Kerry's PDF Military Files on his Website ^ | 4-15-04 | me

Posted on 04/22/2004 10:49:24 AM PDT by moondoggie

How come the paperwork on Kerry's Bronze Star Award is signed by John Lehman, Sec. of the Navy????

In addition, the date Lehman (supposedly) signed it is not on the document.

Did Kerry not get the award when Chaffee was Secretary of the Navy? If not, why not?

Did Kerry get the award 15 years late?

Or is the paperwork a "sham" and somebody made a big booboo?

I'll post the document as soon as I find it again. Maybe somebody here has it bookmarked? And, if there's already been a thread on this that I missed....please direct me to the proper thread.

Thanks!


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bronzestar; johnlehman; kerry; militaryrecord
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To: liz44040
I have been absolutely swamped today, but I got to call them Monday...
541 posted on 04/23/2004 2:20:28 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: BlueNgold
Lehmen only signed the combat device, which is a relatively minor revision (The B-Star is a combat medal to start with),

Not so. The Bronze Star can be awarded for other than combat operations hence the need to affix a Combat "V" to distinguish it. Specifically,

The Bronze Star Medal may be awarded for meritorious achievement or meritorious service according to the following: (1) Awards may be made to recognize single acts of merit or meritorious service. The lesser degree than that required for the award of the Legion of Merit must nevertheless have been meritorious and accomplished with distinction.

542 posted on 04/23/2004 2:21:25 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Chad Fairbanks
So, where does the fourth one come from? Anyone know? I are confu-sed.

I think post #301 has your answer.

543 posted on 04/23/2004 2:21:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: hobson
Good summary. On the Silver Star there is also a citation signed by ADM Hyland.
544 posted on 04/23/2004 2:26:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: All
Kerry has shrapnel in left thigh from Vietnam War injury
545 posted on 04/23/2004 2:49:09 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
OK, OK, you're the detail man . . . like Will Rogers said, "I deal in broad concepts." Bottom line: they don't LET you fly in those things without the proper gear. All of it.

As a fixed gear SEL pilot, all I can do is look at those guys in awe . . .

546 posted on 04/23/2004 3:16:05 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Howlin
The one for the first purple heart (Jan 69) is missing from his website. How do you get a wound every month for the first three months out of the four he served? He got the first one only 24 hours after arriving in Vietnam. He is either very prone to accidents, clumsy, foolish, or fill in the blank.



http://www.johnkerry.com/about/combat_reports.html

Kerry Purple Heart "Spot" Reports [pdf: 210kb]
This file contains after-action ("spot") reports from two of the combat actions in which John Kerry was wounded.




Spot Reports for February, 1969 [pdf: 2.1MB]

Spot Reports for March, 1969 [pdf: 301kb]


547 posted on 04/23/2004 3:17:12 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Ramius
Yes, I have. I only qualified my remarks because I am extremely loathe to question the valor of any serviceman, democrat or otherwise. This stuff matters. To question the duly earned citations of a serviceman is not something to be undertaken lightly.

I agree. Questioning the valor of anyone who has served is wrong. This stuff does matter. I believe that people who are questioning Kerry's record (not valor) are doing so because Kerry has a problem with being consistent and truthful. Kerry himself has created a state of disbelief about himself. There is a difference in questioning the truthfulness of Kerry's record and questioning Kerry's valor. If Kerry record doesn't stand up to the test, that in itself stands in testiment to Kerry's character. No one needs to go further to question Kerry's valor. It is just the record in question - that is bad enough.

That said, I agree that there are bizarre irregularities in this record. Maybe it is nothing, but maybe it is something. If the reports are true, I am personally offended by somebody that puts in citations for his own purple hearts for insignificant injuries.

I also have a problem with sometone that puts in citations for himself. I personally do not have the honor to draw blood for my country, but I do have family that have given life and limb for America. I have the utmost respect for them. There is something that should be noted about all of them; they do not/have not talked about their sacrifice (some obviously are not able) to embellish their love/service for our country. I have a big problem with John Kerry because he is using his war record after what he did when returned from Vietnam with the VVAW.

If his citations are true and correct, then we should-- we must-- drop the matter completely. I will not be a party to the vilification of honorable service-- even if the serviceman in question is John Kerry, someone for whom I have no other reason to have any respect for.

Agreed. That does not solve John Kerry's problem after he returned from Vietnam. John Kerry was in the reserves and he protested against the war. He gave aid and comfort to the enemy. These are facts not to be disputed. I could care less about Kerry's war record after what he did when he returned from Vietnam. I see this as a matter of what "you have done recently." After he returned from Vietnam is more recent than when he was in Vietnam. His congressional campagin to disarm American came later, his terms as senator came even later. In each instance he has be strongly against military and intelligence spending. After 9/11 Kerry has still been unable to find his soul. He is firmly planted in notion of abdicating sovereignty of the United States to the United Nations. This I have signficant problems, and since it is more recent than his Vietnam record, I have even greater problems with John Kerry. If it turns out to be true that Kerry's record in Vietnam was less that stellar, and manipulated, it just shows an on-going pattern of deception of a liberal. This I have to say is a shame for those men that served their country in Vietnam with honor. Personally, I do not think Kerry has any honor or code.

If it turns out, however, that the citations are not in good order and that there is unearned embellishment of a service record for political gain... then this is the most vile and obscene violation that I can imagine.

It is a disgrace to all those that have given for America. It has an effect on some that would think other veterans are not worthy of their service. Personally, I will never sway on my understanding and feeling of those that have served their country with honor. All wars have a select few that dishonor their nation. They should be held as examples of what not to be, and in turn elevating the stature of true Americans.

548 posted on 04/23/2004 3:18:42 PM PDT by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: boxerblues
bookmark
549 posted on 04/23/2004 3:24:31 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: R. Scott
It may have come out of the yards like that, but by the time I went aboard, it had normal facilities.
550 posted on 04/23/2004 3:29:32 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: hobson
Silver Star:

Kerry has three different Silver commendations for the 2/28/69 action, each signed by a different commander, the last two signed well after Kerry had left active service.

The first was signed by Zumwalt as Commander, Naval Forces, Vietnam.
The second version was signed by Hyland as CINC PacFlt
The third version was signed by Lehman as SecNAV

551 posted on 04/23/2004 4:14:19 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; kabar
Thanks! I will add the new info and post a separate reference thread. If you have suggestions for any other changes/additions let me know.
552 posted on 04/23/2004 4:22:57 PM PDT by hobson
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To: hobson
Excellent idea. Suggest that the Zumwalt commendation-listing precede that of Lehman, and that the approximate dates for all three of these Silver Star certificates be noted.
553 posted on 04/23/2004 4:32:31 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("Those who must know before they believe will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: hobson
Bookmarked
554 posted on 04/23/2004 4:39:39 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Vermonter
They took some of the fun out of it!
555 posted on 04/23/2004 4:43:20 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I'll bite...what is the CG/LE wedding?
556 posted on 04/23/2004 4:48:13 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MJM59
Bush has NEVER claimed to be a Chuck Yeager hero.....you have some agenda, bub.
557 posted on 04/23/2004 4:50:27 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: moondoggie
If no one has put a name to your terrific finding, allow me......Stargate!!!
558 posted on 04/23/2004 4:52:10 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Parthalan
don't think so...........i have 2 Navy Commendation & 1 Navy Achievement, all signed by JL and they are all unique...the "loop on the J" looks the same but his last name is different, specfic to the "n"...each one I have is either shorter or longer...
559 posted on 04/23/2004 4:58:11 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Ann Archy
Conspiracy Guy and Laura Earl got married on March 27. Robert A. Cook PE, lives 2 hours away and expressed a willingness to come to the wedding. So he was sent an invitation and he and his spouse came to wedding.

I hope the pictures are available soon for limited posting.
560 posted on 04/23/2004 6:12:02 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see.)
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