Why aren't they asking the Balkans questions at the 9-11 hearings?

Serbianna ^ | 04.20.2004 | dj_animal_2000

[dj_animal_2000]

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1998/kosovo.htm

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

this should work...sorry...!!!

[FormerLib]

In areas where the KLA is attacking Serbs the Serb army should be allowed back in to kill them off.

The current situation lends itself to this solution. The NATO troops currently in Kosovo could monitor the actions of the Serb Army in order to dissuade any questions about the Serbs.

Of course, the Serbs will have quite a chore digging out all of the Albanians who fled their own nation and illegally entered the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija, but they've got the patience to see the task through to its end.

[getgoing]

ahem, Iran, Saudi Arabia, weapons smuggling, drugs, sabotage within our own government it'll take another 3 Rep presidential terms to clean out.

Fear not. The 911 commission is either dumber than rocks or setup by the administration to "force" their hand in exposing the bent one & his best buds.

Just figured out the OK City connection? please.

Keep the thread bumped...maybe Tony Snow will talk about Kosovo again today.

[Steve_Seattle]

This is the story (actually, one of many) the media won't touch. They've come to believe in the myth of the "successful war in Kosovo" and nothing will shake that perception. .

[JCB]

A few points

1) Mujahedin fighters in Bosnia and Kosovo made up a small percentage of the total Muslim fighters. If they were greater the Serbs would have had hundreds, if not thousands, of bodies and passports to show the world. They never had more than a few here and there.

2) The Muj fighters didn't arrive en mass to Bosnia until 1993 with the Serbs attacking from one side and Croats the other, while the West sat back and watched. No Serb attacks in Spring 1992 = few, if any, Muj in Bosnia.

3) Iran's backing of the Muslims came about largely as a result of the UN arms embargo that kept the Muslims at an extreme disadvantage against the JNA-backed Serbs and Croatia-backed HVO. Balkan Muslims first turned to the West for help and then, upon receiving none, turned to Iran. If the guns come from Allah the advice can't be far behind.

4) Most of the KLA was also local, not Muj import.

There were certainly fanatical foreign elements on the Muslims side in the Balkans, and I have no problem with them being killed. But to use that element as justification for the killing and expulsion of the secular local majority doesn't wash.

[Steve_Seattle]

I read a quote from the Georgetown Policy Review (or something similar, I forget the exact name), which suggested that - for liberals - the Kosovo war was seen as a strategic ploy to curry favor in the Moslem world, and that the alleged anti-ethnic-cleansing motive was more for public consumption. As for the success of the ploy, two years later the planes flew into the Twin Towers.

[JCB]

"The NATO troops currently in Kosovo could monitor the actions of the Serb Army in order to dissuade any questions about the Serbs."

This is what happened in 2000 in the Buffer Zone when the UCPMB (or something like that) was routed by Serb forces who re-took the region.

I can see it working again in Kosovo now. Much needed.

[JCB]

I can easily see the Left using Bosnia and Kosovo to try again to suck up to the Islamic world. If that was their intention then among Balkan Muslims it worked as the US is well-liked. As far as the rest of the Muslim world is concerned, NATO might as well have sided with the Serbs and levelled Screbrenica themselves!

[Sybeck1]

I really see this as a useless war with respect to the US because it had nothing to do with our national security. How the libs say this war was honorable and not Iraq smacks with racism in my eyes. Nothing is ever said about these soldiers not being on the hunt for UBL is it?

[dj_animal_2000]

JCB, sorry, but I have the feeling that you're trying to downplay the fact, that Clinton exactly knew about the Al-Qaeda involvment in the Balkans...

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Foreign volunteers in Army B&H

by Michal Warczakowski

Muslim Liberation Brigades

Originated from the dissolved Armija Republike BH 3, Korpus Odred "el-Mudzahedin", the largest mujahedin unit during the war. From the end of 1995 these brigades became subordinated to the Corps. Their respective sizes were raised from 1 500 troops to around 2 000 troops each. The nucleus of each brigade consist of a core of foreign mujahedin, with the rest being composed of Bosnian Islamists. Most of the foreign Mujahedin are members of the Iranian-sponsored "al-Quds" formations that were deployed in BiH by Iran, following intensive training and indoctrination at terrorist training facilities in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Sudan. All in all the three Muslim Liberation Brigades contained over 8 000 troops (as of 1996).

They are as follows:

7th Muslim Liberation Brigade of the 3-rd Corps (HQ in Zenica). In mid-April of 1996 it became mechanized, and it contained the following units:

Elements of the 319-th Brigade

Elements of the 330-th Brigade

Three maneuver battalions

A Green Beret company (mujahedin-dominated Islamist Special Forces)

A tank company

9th Muslim Liberation Brigade of the 2-nd (Tuzla-based) Corps (HQ in Travnik)

4th Muslim Liberation Brigade of the 4-th Corps (HQ in Konjic)

In 1996 an additional fourth Muslim Liberation Brigade was raised. It was designated as the 17th Muslim Light Brigade of the 1st Corps in Sarajevo.

In December of 1995 additional mujahedin formations were raised by Bosnian Muslims. These units had a cadre of foreign mujahedin, but most of the lower ranks were made up of Bosnian Muslims. By June of 1996 there were at least 10 such units in the ABiH (not including the four previously mentioned Muslim Liberation Brigades).

They are as follows:

807th Muslim Liberation Brigade of the 81-st Division (HQ in Gorazde), it was sworn-in at Gorazde on 20 December, 1995.

117th Brigade "Dzemisetski Golubovi" (HQ in Lukovac)

119th Special Forces Mudzahedin Brigade (HQ in Banovici). This brigade was divided into two task forces know as "Tigrici" and "Zelena Strela"

203rd Brigade (HQ in Tesanj). This brigade was composed of three "independent mudzahedin special task forces" named "Kritce", "Vitezovi", and "Tigrovi".

204th Light Brigade "Citloviki Vukovi" (HQ in Citlukl)

115th Muslim Brigade (forward HQ in Vogosc)

17th Muslim Light Brigade of the 14-th Division of the 1-st Corps (HQ in Pazaric)

379th Motorized Brigade of the 37-th Division (HQ in Tesanj). This unit is considered to be elite on Bosnian standards.

Operational Group "Zivinicke Ose" (HQ in Zivinice)

An unspecified Operational Group with HQ in Tuzla; it contained two special task forces named "Janicari" and "Taut". This Operational Group is independent of the Tuzla-based 2nd Corps

There are some estimated 750 to 1 000 foreign mujahedin serving in each of these 10 above-mentioned units.

Foreign mujahedin form the core of recon-sabotuer and other special operation forces units of the ABiH, as well as of the Muslim Defense Force of the SDA. The latter included (in 1996) over 1 000 Bosnian Muslims trained and indoctrinated abroad. Foreign mujahedin also play a prominent part in training the ABiH special forces, and they are often found in prominent positions in ABiH serving as intelligence officers, religious commissars, and operational commanders of special operations forces units.

Many mujahedins of the type mentioned above are found in the following units:

1st Bosniak Brigade "Nocne Ptice". This is a highly specialized "mother unit", and includes a wide variety of experts and specialists from Turkey, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Lebanon.

3rd Corps. There is a training unit for both foreign mujahedins and Bosnian Islamists that forms part of the 3-rd Corps. This unit is know as the "G" Force (the G stands for Gazi'a which is Arabic for retribution, retaliation, or punishment). Some formerly separate mujahedin units like "Martyrs' Detachment" and the Ansar Force were incorporated into "G" Force. In spite of its training character, "G" Force can be deployed in combat. The unit's cadre seems to be composed of a group of Saudi phanatics, while most the menpower is drawn from an ABiH recon-sabotage battalion from Vukovije. Abu-Ma'ali was presumably the force's commander (as of 1996).

Foreign Mujahedin in the Bihac Pocket

The Bihac Pocket had (and probably still has) an unusually high saturation of foreign mujahedin. This was due to the fact that they were intentionally send there by Izetbegovic's administration in order to prevent the pocket's loss to the rebel Muslim forces of Fikret Abdic. Among other things, they were assigned the task of reinforcing the local units' loyalty to Sarajevo, as the local Muslims often opted for massive desertions to the Abdic camp. Majority of the mujahedin reached the enclave by being smuggled by UN and other international relief organizations, or by being flown-in on illicit arms shipments.

As of 1996 the key mujahedin units of the 5th Corps were as follows:

501st Mountain Brigade IDG "Tigrovi"

503rd Mountain Brigade IDG "Caruge"

505th Mountain Brigade IDG "Tajfun", "Hamze", "Balije"

511th Light Brigade IDC "Apaci"

All of these brigades are elite by designation (IDG or IDC, with IDC being the smaller of the two), and capable of recon, sabotage, and of airborne-heliborne (desant) operations. There are an estimated 1 200 to 1 500 foreign mujahedin serving in each of these brigades.

In mid-1993 the Handzar Division was raised in Sarajevo. The division's chief task was to serve as presidential guards, and as security for other important Bosnian Muslim leaders. The division was composed of two bodies of troops; the Handzar troops in Sarajevo numbered between 2 500 and 3 000, and were considered as elite on ABiH standards. The second body of the division's troops was a "back-up force" of 6 000 to 7 500 troops stationed in Fojnica. Unlike its SS predecessor, this new Handzar Division was made up largely of Muslims from outside of BiH. Most of them were ethnic Albanians, however, the highest-ranking positions were filled with mujahedin veterans from Afghanistan and Pakistan. By 1995 elements of the division were already involved in special operations actions on the front-line, often alongside foreign mujahedin. Also in 1995 the transfer to Albania of most of the division's ethnic Albanian personnel was initiated.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/muja-army.jpg http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/kosta/Geopolitics/Risto.Mostarski/rat/mujb.jpg

[Hoplite]

If you rely upon nutjob Serb Nationalist websites, your views will suffer accordingly.

The Serbs went to war in Bosnia against the Turks, and remained so through 1995.

You may just as well try to justify the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan by claiming Moscow was fighting Jihadists and America backed the wrong side - same BS logic, same BS conclusion.

[dj_animal_2000]

The photographs were published at "THE TIMES" and "The Independent" from Dec. 11 1995...Both pictures are made by "Reuters"...

Neither "The Times", "The Independent" or "Reuters" are considered to be "Serb Nationalist Medias"...

[DTA]

>>>>>>>This piece is intended for people who know NOTHING about Balkan Muslims and try to pass off the nutcases (mostly Mujehadin who came to Bosnia in 1993 in a response to Serb attacks) ....<<<<<

JCP, you have just qualified yourself for someone who knows NOTHING about Balkans but preach to people who do.

Canadian UNPROFOR Spotted Muhahedeen in Bosnia in 1992. International media reports followed.

SOURCE: Los Angeles Times December 14, 1992, Home Edition
SECTION: Part A; Page 1; Column 3; Foreign Desk
ARTICLE: ISLAMIC VOLUNTEERS RALLYING TO KILLING FIELDS OF BOSNIA
AUTHOR: KIM MURPHY, TIMES STAFF WRITER

SOURCE: The New York Times November 14, 1992, Late Edition
SECTION: Section 1; Page 5; Column 1; Foreign Desk
ARTICLE: Muslims From Abroad Join in War Against Serbs
By CHUCK SUDETIC, Special to The New York Times

SOURCE: The Reuter Library Report September 23, 1992
ADVANCED-DATE: September 22,1992
SOURCE: Reuters September 23, 1992 ARTICLE: Mujahideen commander preaches holy war in Bosnia AUTHOR: Kurt Schork DATELINE: MEHURICI, Bosnia

SOURCE: The Reuter Library Report September 10, 1992
ARTICLE: Mujahideen teach Bosnian Moslems Jihad
DATELINE: CAIRO, Sept 10

SOURCE: Sunday Times August 30, 1992
SECTION: Overseas news
ARTICLE: Arabs join in Bosnia battle
AUTHOR: Andrew Hogg, Zenica

And so on.

Izetbegovic have planned to create Islamonazi foothold in Europe and the base for AQ. He planned it BEFORE Civil war broke out. Izetbegovic was willing to sacrifice peace in Bosnia to achieve it and he did. The rest is history you attempt to obfuscate.

Since you volonteered to offer an expert opinion, can you advise us why all Islamonazi shills on FR feed us bull and expect us to believe?

Is that Compulsive Dishonesty Syndrome (Clintonitis Chronica) caused by ingestion of Religion of Peace(C) or you think we are stupid and will not figure out your brazen lies?

[DTA]

>>>>>>>Ultimately however, this is a European shame<<<<

At least you got one thing right. Europe was suckered into supporting terrorist thugs and their benefactor in The Oral Office and there is no easy way out now.

This is happening under EU watch .

Almost all Christian churches and cloisters burned down, desecrated or used as a public latrine:

[Hoplite]

What photographs?

Like JCB said, picture US casualties in Bosnia or Kosovo, and then compare that to our casualties in Afghanistan or Iraq. On one hand, you've got peacetime casualty figures, and on the other, combat operations.

Bosnia and Kosovo never turned into what Iraq is turning into, and it didn't because the "Mujahadeen" hype was just that: hype. They were there, but never in large enough numbers to effect the course of the war, and they were invited to leave immediately thereafter, save a few who managed to get themselves hitched and watched closely by various intelligence agencies for their troubles.

[dj_animal_2000]

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/muja-army.jpg

and

http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/kosta/Geopolitics/Risto.Mostarski/rat/mujb.jpg

Doesn't look like a hype to me...

[Hoplite]

Doesn't look like they've done anything in regards to the infidels or apostate Bosnian Muslims in their midst since 1996, either.

The jihadist label just doesn't have enough reality glue to make it stick to Bosnia.

[Marko37]

2) The Muj fighters didn't arrive en mass to Bosnia until 1993 with the Serbs attacking from one side and Croats the other, while the West sat back and watched. No Serb attacks in Spring 1992 = few, if any, Muj in Bosnia.

3) Iran's backing of the Muslims came about largely as a result of the UN arms embargo that kept the Muslims at an extreme disadvantage against the JNA-backed Serbs and Croatia-backed HVO. Balkan Muslims first turned to the West for help and then, upon receiving none, turned to Iran. If the guns come from Allah the advice can't be far behind.

Ok, now tell me this. Bosnia is surrounded by Croatia and Yugoslavia. How did weapons & fighters find their way into Bosnia through "hostile" areas?

When did Iran purchase C-130s? Can C-130 reach Tuzla airport from Iran, bypassing NATO countries such as Turkey and/or Greece? Are Iranian C-130 pilots that good both in English and in night landings?

[captain albala]

Bosnian muslims claimed it was serbian agression that was going on. But then, why did they fight croats? Why did muslims under command of Fikret Abdic from northwestern Bosnia fight shoulder to shoulder with serbs against Izetbegovic's 5th corp in Bihac? There was entire unit of serbian bosnian army called "Mehmed Selimovic", by writer who explicitly stated his serbian origin. These muslims were and are respected by all serbs. That much on serbian agression.

Srebrenica question

Srebrenica was great serbian mistake. We shouldn't have executed those scumbags. Srebrenica was used to cover the greatest ethnic cleansing performed by Croatia against Krajina Serbs. Well over 250 000 people in one long line. My relatives (since I'm from there) were bombed by artilery and croatian air forces. trip took 8 days, and usualy you get it in one day. My relatives had no socks in their boots once they were able to remove boots. In Serbia. Awful. What croatian fascist in WW2 didn't do, croatian fascist in 1995 did.
One more thing about Srebrenica. It was declared by UN to be the safe zone. That means, no attacks on it, but also no army in it. and no attacks from within it. But that was going on all the way from St. George's day in 1992, to 1995. Naser Oric (now in International court for crimes in Yugoslavia) and his thugs would raid serbian villages around srebrenica, taking no prisoners (please surf the sites I posted, to see more). They were killing women and children. Plundering. Almost 2000 dead serbs from St. george's day (6th may) 1992 to July 1995.
In 1995, General Mladic offered them to surrender, guaranteening their lives in presence of UN, recorded by BBC. They refused. In fact, they did one of the most complicated millitary operations - breaktrough. Serbs left one corridor for muslims, taking positions in surronding hills. So, serbs were blasting hell out of the muslim fighters. Most of them was killed there. In breaktrough. Just small part was executed in rage, as revenge, by local serbs. It was completely not in accordance to serbian millitary tradition. But our chain of command was almost in collapse.
So, about 5000 muslims reached Tuzla, and madia war did the rest. Muslim civilians were loaded on serbian and UN buses and sent to muslim held territory. And gas was provided by serbs, although since Milosevic put up sanctions against bosnian serbs in 1994, it was so precious. Hell, our own refugees from western bosnia and Krajina, just 3 weeks after srebrenica had no gas enough.

http://www.braniociotadzbine.org.yu/uckm.jpg (KLA)
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/serb_head1.html (Bosnia)

http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/refugees.html
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/masskill.html
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/vukovar2.html

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[DTA]

Arming of Bosnian muslims is another media hoax to divert attraction from the real issues.

Since Croat Tito broke up with Stalin 1948 Bosnia became Yugoslavia's arms caches. Ammunition Factories were placed there, stockpiles also. YU doctrine envisioned the following:

_Warszaw pact attack, several days resistance in Serbia/ Croatia, retreat of all forces to Bosnia and using stockpiles of weapons cached in central Bosnia. Tito's main comand bunker was around Bugojno, where Croats and Muslims fiercely fought in this war. Guess why?

Bosnian Muslims got hold of all these caches and were not without weapons. Fightings with Croats was for control of those weapons caches and command and control centers. Serbs lived in the areas theat were expected to be captured by Soviets and there were no caches.

American airlift of Iranian weapons into Bosnia, a.k.a. Irangate II is important for different reason: By siding with Mullas for moolah, Clinon opened American defense to Islamists.

Even stranger story is landing of Iranian cargo jets to Serbia with Milosevic permission and transport of unknown goods to Bosnia via trucks.

Milosevic was no different than Clinton, he also could not resist mooolah call. This was treason of national interests, both of them.