To: Marko37
Bosnian muslims claimed it was serbian agression that was going on. But then, why did they fight croats? Why did muslims under command of Fikret Abdic from northwestern Bosnia fight shoulder to shoulder with serbs against Izetbegovic's 5th corp in Bihac? There was entire unit of serbian bosnian army called "Mehmed Selimovic", by writer who explicitly stated his serbian origin. These muslims were and are respected by all serbs. That much on serbian agression.
Srebrenica question
Srebrenica was great serbian mistake. We shouldn't have executed those scumbags. Srebrenica was used to cover the greatest ethnic cleansing performed by Croatia against Krajina Serbs. Well over 250 000 people in one long line. My relatives (since I'm from there) were bombed by artilery and croatian air forces. trip took 8 days, and usualy you get it in one day. My relatives had no socks in their boots once they were able to remove boots. In Serbia. Awful. What croatian fascist in WW2 didn't do, croatian fascist in 1995 did.
One more thing about Srebrenica. It was declared by UN to be the safe zone. That means, no attacks on it, but also no army in it. and no attacks from within it. But that was going on all the way from St. George's day in 1992, to 1995. Naser Oric (now in International court for crimes in Yugoslavia) and his thugs would raid serbian villages around srebrenica, taking no prisoners (please surf the sites I posted, to see more). They were killing women and children. Plundering. Almost 2000 dead serbs from St. george's day (6th may) 1992 to July 1995.
In 1995, General Mladic offered them to surrender, guaranteening their lives in presence of UN, recorded by BBC. They refused. In fact, they did one of the most complicated millitary operations - breaktrough. Serbs left one corridor for muslims, taking positions in surronding hills. So, serbs were blasting hell out of the muslim fighters. Most of them was killed there. In breaktrough. Just small part was executed in rage, as revenge, by local serbs. It was completely not in accordance to serbian millitary tradition. But our chain of command was almost in collapse.
So, about 5000 muslims reached Tuzla, and madia war did the rest. Muslim civilians were loaded on serbian and UN buses and sent to muslim held territory. And gas was provided by serbs, although since Milosevic put up sanctions against bosnian serbs in 1994, it was so precious. Hell, our own refugees from western bosnia and Krajina, just 3 weeks after srebrenica had no gas enough.
http://www.braniociotadzbine.org.yu/uckm.jpg (KLA)
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/serb_head1.html (Bosnia)
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/refugees.html http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/masskill.html http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/forbidden_pictures/present/vukovar2.html
39 posted on
04/20/2004 4:08:06 PM PDT by
captain albala
(just ask what you wanna know!)
To: Marko37; captain albala
Arming of Bosnian muslims is another media hoax to divert attraction from the real issues.
Since Croat Tito broke up with Stalin 1948 Bosnia became Yugoslavia's arms caches. Ammunition Factories were placed there, stockpiles also. YU doctrine envisioned the following:
_Warszaw pact attack, several days resistance in Serbia/ Croatia, retreat of all forces to Bosnia and using stockpiles of weapons cached in central Bosnia. Tito's main comand bunker was around Bugojno, where Croats and Muslims fiercely fought in this war. Guess why?
Bosnian Muslims got hold of all these caches and were not without weapons. Fightings with Croats was for control of those weapons caches and command and control centers. Serbs lived in the areas theat were expected to be captured by Soviets and there were no caches.
American airlift of Iranian weapons into Bosnia, a.k.a. Irangate II is important for different reason: By siding with Mullas for moolah, Clinon opened American defense to Islamists.
Even stranger story is landing of Iranian cargo jets to Serbia with Milosevic permission and transport of unknown goods to Bosnia via trucks.
Milosevic was no different than Clinton, he also could not resist mooolah call. This was treason of national interests, both of them.
40 posted on
04/20/2004 4:22:36 PM PDT by
DTA
(you ain't seen nothing yet)
To: captain albala
Bosnian Muslims fought the Croats because the Croats attacked them in an effort to carve out a Greater Croatia. Why would the already out-gunned Muslims (whose territory was reduced to parts of central Bosnia, Bihac and three town in the east) pick a fight with another foe?
You are right in that Srebrenica was to be demilitarized in the wake of the "Safe area" resolution. Why wasn't it? Same reason why the Krajina Serbs kept their guns after 1992 despite a demiliterize order. Would you surrender your guns against a foe determined to drive you out? Neither would the folks in Screbrenica. They, like the Croatian Serbs, were not stupid.
Mladic's surrender offer was largely a ruse; he had every intention of executing most of them if they gave up (which he did) in response for Oric's atrocities, and knew Oric and co would not accept any UN surrender deal as they wanted to hold on to Eastern land that was to be theirs under every peace plan.
Mladic's camera man present during the fall of Screbrenica filmed a Serb soldier claiming that 6,000 BiH troops had surrendered from the hills (probably an exageration but in indication that MANY were taken alive and killed). Various Serb fighters claim to have known or even taken part in executions, including Drazen Erdemovic who claims to have been present for the killing of 1,200 POWs.
The number executed was probably in the area of 3,000 with another 2,000 or so ambushed and killed in the breakout attempt towards Tulza.
Not the 8,000 commonly claimed, but not an inconsequential number either.
44 posted on
04/20/2004 5:44:23 PM PDT by
JCB
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