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To: Sans-Culotte
I haven't seen the movie so I will take your word for it. But if it was a good movie, then why did it bomb? A genuine question, no sarcasm intended.

Maybe the public is avoiding historical movies?
15 posted on 04/18/2004 8:39:44 PM PDT by squarebarb ("You gotta learn to street-fight with these vermin." --- Michael Savage)
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To: squarebarb
Maybe the public is avoiding historical movies?

Yep, particularly pre-WWI ones...will be interesting to see how "Troy" and "Alexander" turn out.

Also you have to remember this movie had NO appeal to women WHATSOEVER, and NO appeal to anyone under 30, as basically nobody outside of Texas under 30 has the foggiest idea of what the Alamo was, and NONE of the actors are popular among young people.

You'll notice if you look at all of the Alamo threads that almost EVERY FReeper replying on the thread that ACTUALLY SAW the Alamo liked it, or at least didn't hate it.

The people bashing it are simply me-tooers who didn't see the film and just assume all the propaganda about it is true.

18 posted on 04/18/2004 8:42:12 PM PDT by John H K
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To: squarebarb
Note to self: But then there was Cold Mountain...
19 posted on 04/18/2004 8:43:14 PM PDT by squarebarb ("You gotta learn to street-fight with these vermin." --- Michael Savage)
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To: squarebarb
Yep, apparently, historical movies have seen their day. This film was sabotaged from day one. The left panned it for the same reasons they panned Wayne's-it extols the virtues of men who believed some things are worth dying for. The right (as evidenced in this thread, and in Joseph Farah's ignorant ravings) also panned it (mostly w/o seeing it) because they assumed it would be leftist PC revisionism.

The failure of Master and Commander at the box office is an indicator of where the movie-going public (apparently 14-25 year olds) stands on historical epics. With M & C, we had Russell Crowe, and a best-selling book series as the source for the movie, and largely positive reviews, and M & C still flopped.

Despite what has been said about cuts to The Alamo, the cuts are not that apparent. I could tell certain things were missing, because I know the story backward and forward. But I could not tell the cuts had been made. The movie just felt as if they chose not to cover certain areas.

We Texans do not really need a movie to remind us to Remember the Alamo. Those of you in other states, who only know the story via John Wayne and Disney's Davy Crockett series could learn a lot from this movie. It'a shame the ctitics went gunning for this movie (as they did The Passion). Heck, aside from the The Passion, there has not been a bona fide hit this year.

28 posted on 04/18/2004 9:05:35 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: squarebarb
But if it was a good movie, then why did it bomb?

According to fan sites on the Internet, it was long and boring...PC has nothing to do with it.

As for Gods and Generals, it put me to sleep...I kept waiting for humor or a good R rated scene of "vertical manuvers" to cut the boredom...

A good film must "rewrite" history to give a good story...you want history? Go to the History channel. A film needs to balance action, pathos, humor and human relationships. And you need to build it on the great themes, so that it resonates with the present

Heck, even "hellboy" has a deep theme: That a demon, conceived by the Nazis to fight for hate, if raised by decent human beings, can fight for good.

In The Alamo, they could have improved the movie by showing that even "flawed" men have such dreams, but they chose to "humanize" without showing depth...

51 posted on 04/19/2004 4:54:46 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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