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Maybe you Bushbots will listen to VDH. Bush is screwing the pooch in Iraq. He needs to understand that he does not have our blind stupid unquestioning loyalty. He needs to hear some criticism that matters. The man is blowing it. He already blew it domesticly. Bigtime. Big gubmint is bigger than ever. By quantum leaps. He has done pretty well on the War on Terrorism. But now this war in Iraq, which I support, is going out of control and unless he radically shapes up he will hand us eight years of rat debauchery EXACTLY like his father before him.

You are wrong!

We are fight Iranians right now!

Read this :

Belmont Club
History and history in the making

Thread here:

The Wider War (with Iran?) (Belmont Club, best war blog)

And:

Militia Pulling Back in Najaf, Kufa & Karbala (Out of Government Buildings into Mosques-Surrender?)

Maybe you Bushbots will listen to VDH. Bush is screwing the pooch in Iraq. He needs to understand that he does not have our blind stupid unquestioning loyalty. He needs to hear some criticism that matters. The man is blowing it. He already blew it domesticly. Bigtime. Big gubmint is bigger than ever. By quantum leaps. He has done pretty well on the War on Terrorism. But now this war in Iraq, which I support, is going out of control and unless he radically shapes up he will hand us eight years of rat debauchery EXACTLY like his father before him.

I largely agree with you, and I'm certainly no Bushbot, but there is simply no better alternative in this election. Any vote against Bush (i.e. Libertarian, etc.) is 1/2 of a vote for Kerry (i.e. Bush loses your vote but Kerry doesn't get it). Kerry will simply be a lot worse than Bush, hands down. He'll be appointed judges and justices, writing executive orders, appointing the lefties that will be in charge of writing regulations, etc.

The point: the primaries are over. Once that is the case, conservatives of all stripes should support and vote for the more conservative (or less liberal) candidate from either of the 2 national parties with a chance to win, and liberal voters should do the opposite - regardless of the ideological purity (or lack thereof) of those candidates. Why? Because politics is the art of the practical, of what you can reasonably accomplish. At least with someone who is nominally conservative in charge, you're more able to affect policy. Spouting off against Bush as you have only makes a loss to Kerry that much more possible. It is, of course, a free country, and you have as much right to spout off 1 way as I do to spout off the (somewhat) opposite way.

Those of us who are more conservative than Bush has been will, regretfully, have to wait until 2008 to try to elect someone more to our liking. I don't like it, but I dislike this fact far less than the prospect of a Kerry presidency.

The man is blowing it. He already blew it domesticly. Bigtime. Big gubmint is bigger than ever. By quantum leaps. He has done pretty well on the War on Terrorism. But now this war in Iraq, which I support, is going out of control

Wow, talking like a real CNN expert. Give more credit to GW and our military, and less credit to the liberal media which is working overtime to defeat GW. I can't believe so many repeat everything they hear without doing much thinking.

"were done for! were done for!"

Nothing is out of control, nothing is screwed. Nothing has been blown. Like these media "quagmire" alerts and claims that we have already failed even though this is a work in progress, the handwringing is premature.

Sure things are difficult. we didnt come to Iraq to do something easy.

A week ago we were told the Shiites were rising up.
They werent; they didnt. Some militia overran some police stations, now they went home. In another month, Iraq situation will look quite different.

But now this war in Iraq, which I support, is going out of control and unless he radically shapes up he will hand us eight years of rat debauchery EXACTLY like his father before him.

The war in Iraq is not going out of control, and we will only loose if people like you do not realize that this is bigger than just Iraq,and loose your resolve.

This was never going to be easy, nation building never is, especially when it effects the governments of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia directly. These countries are trying to influence the people on the ground in Iraq and will continue to do so. This is their last big chance before elections, so things will get worse, nor will it end after the election (islam demands certain type of government so there will always be forces trying to destroy democracy in Iraq). This is a religious war (sunni islam (Saudi Aruba) against shiite islam(Iran)) as well as a strategic war for those countries. How Iraq shapes out will have lasting impact on those countries. They need to fight now or loose a chance to have any say in how Iraq's government is formed.

Sometimes I wonder what history teachers are teaching kids. It takes more than a year to build a nation and it takes basically us forcing a new way down their throats and staying decades to make sure the lesson took.

But now this war in Iraq, which I support, is going out of control...

You, sir, are completely ignorant of the facts.

Learn them, or shut up.