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US, Fallujah insurgents reach ceasefire
Jerusalem Post ^ | Apr. 11, 2004 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 04/11/2004 3:56:59 PM PDT by yonif

A third round of negotiations aimed at ending the fighting in the besieged city of Fallujah will be held Sunday, a US commander said.

Arab TV stations reported that Sunni militants have agreed to a US offer of a cease-fire.

Earlier, insurgents who kidnapped a US civilian Friday threatened to kill and mutilate him if Marines did not withdraw from Fallujah by 6 a.m. Sunday. The deadline passed with no word on his fate.

Some media sources reported that the three Japanese hostages were released Sunday morning. Tokyo has not confirmed the reports.

Two security agents for the German Embassy in Baghdad who have been missing in Iraq for several days are most likely dead, the Foreign Ministry said Sunday.

The two German men, ages 38 and 25, were traveling from Amman, Jordan, to Baghdad on a routine trip Wednesday and were ambushed near Fallujah, according to the ministry.

A spokeswoman said that "a final confirmation is still outstanding."

How long will the cease-fire in Fallujah hold?

There were few sounds of clashes in Fallujah Sunday and a Marine commander in the south said the rebels hadn't attacked them for several hours.

Mahmoud Othman, a member of Iraq's Governing Council, said the militants have agreed in principle to a truce starting Sunday, but the deal depends on the doubtful prospect of American soldiers withdrawing from the city.

The insurgents made the offer through mediators in negotiations between council members and city representatives in Fallujah.

There was no confirmation from US commanders that a deal had been struck.

Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne, commander of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, which is deployed in the city's south, said, "there has been no contact this morning from the rebels."

The troops are going to continue to hold attacks on the insurgents, he said.

Byrne said another round of talks would be held between 10a.m. and 4p.m. Sunday.

Arab TV station Al-Jazeera quoted an unidentified insurgent leader in Fallujah as saying a cease-fire would begin from 10a.m. and last for 12 hours. A few hours earlier, Al-Arabiya reported that the truce started at 6 a.m.

US commanders have said that for a truce to hold, the militants must hand over the Iraqis who killed and mutilated four American civilians on March 31 and allow the return of Iraqi police to their stations to keep order, Othman said.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt told reporters Saturday that fighters must also "lay down their arms" and renounce their membership in extremist groups to fully end the insurgency that has made Fallujah its stronghold.

US forces called a unilateral halt to their offensive on Friday to allow for talks. However, sporadic fighting has occurred since then.

The Marines have moved in reinforcements around Fallujah and have warned of an assault to take the entire city if negotiations fall through.

US helicopter shot down in Baghdad

Gunmen shot down a US attack helicopter during fighting in western Baghdad on Sunday, and the fate of its two-member crew was unknown.

A pall of black smoke rose on Baghdad's western edge where a military spokesman said the AH-64 Apache helicopter was downed by ground fire in the morning. More helicopters circled overhead, while US troops closed off the main highway, a key supply route into the capital.

Heavy firing was heard, and tanks and Humvees moved into the area, near the suburb of Abu Ghraib, where masked gunmen have wreaked havoc for the past three days, attacking fuel convoys and blowing up tanker trucks. Insurgents kidnapped an American civilian and killed a US soldier in the area Friday.

Footage shown of two slain Westerners in Fallujah

Footage broadcast on Arabic TV on Sunday showed the bloodied bodies of two Westerners lying in the street that gunmen claimed were Americans killed during fighting in Fallujah.

It was not clear when the two were killed. In the footage, aired on Al-Jazeera, gunmen seen moving around the bodies are heard saying that the two are American intelligence agents. They pointed to a burning car nearby they said belonged to the two men.

Both, obviously Westerners, wore dark t-shirts and khaki pants commonly worn by private security contractors.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ceasefire; easterceasefire; fallujah; hudna; iraq
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To: Antoninus
Not to mention it was a American unilateral cease fire. And it's a Chrisitan holiday today. We can afford to be munificient for one day.
21 posted on 04/11/2004 7:29:19 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Antoninus
It's not insane. It's strategy. We've offered them a truce with conditions that they will not fulfill under any circumstances. I could very well be wrong, as war is unpredictable, but by this Friday at the latest, I think that Fallujah will be under control and there will be a lot of new sod over their football field...
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What is required is some *serious* military action, action this administration is unwilling to take.

We will have to politely disagree.

22 posted on 04/11/2004 9:04:16 PM PDT by tubavil
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To: yonif
Some media sources reported that the three Japanese hostages were released Sunday morning. Tokyo has not confirmed the reports.

This is not surprizing. The Japanese were anti-American radicals looking to meet their Iraqi pals and stage a media event. Mission accomplished.

The helicopter that was shot down, unfortunately the crew of two was killed. Names to be released after NOK notification is complete.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

23 posted on 04/11/2004 9:07:14 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Antoninus
I'm stunned. A voice of sanity amidst a chorus of ignorant wailing. Thanks.
24 posted on 04/11/2004 9:11:56 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: tubavil
"What is required is some *serious* military action, action this administration is unwilling to take."

Yes, this administration has such a well established record of being afraid to take military action. I guess you must have missed some minor events in our military history during the last three years.

25 posted on 04/11/2004 9:16:52 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: yonif
On April fools day General Kimmitt said regarding our response to the murder mutilation of four Americans,

"It will be at a time and a place of our choosing.
It will be methodical, it will be precise and it will be
overwhelming."

I'm still waiting for the "overwhelming" part.

26 posted on 04/11/2004 9:31:59 PM PDT by ASA Vet (I've run out of tagline ideas. Hopefully the blockage is temporary.)
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To: ASA Vet
The generals should stick to reporting what has happened.

Every time they start promising what will happen, the politicians make them look foolish, and vice versa.
27 posted on 04/11/2004 9:40:34 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: Rokke
Sarcasm noted.

I said *serious* action.

Get back to me when bombing a mosque compound doesn't require pre-approval via scrambled sat. from bush himself and PC light tonnages are no longer used.
28 posted on 04/11/2004 9:50:22 PM PDT by tubavil
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To: tubavil
I'm back with you. Bombing mosque's has already been pre-approved and 500lb laser guided bombs are standard combat issue. Not PC lite.
29 posted on 04/11/2004 10:01:28 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Antoninus
US commanders have said that for a truce to hold, the militants must hand over the Iraqis who killed and mutilated four American civilians on March 31 and allow the return of Iraqi police to their stations to keep order, Othman said.
No chance of this happening.
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt told reporters Saturday that fighters must also "lay down their arms" and renounce their membership in extremist groups to fully end the insurgency that has made Fallujah its stronghold.
No chance of this happening.
Thus, the truce fails, though it looks like we tried to make it work. Next step: stomp the cr@p out of these lunatics.

Exactly, after this much time and more than one warning to leave the city for your own safety, we need to go in with a vengeance. Doing our best to make sure that even if we cannot get ALL those involved in the March 31 incident we can make damn sure that anyone who thought about repeating such will have second thoughts

30 posted on 04/11/2004 10:02:37 PM PDT by alexandria
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To: Rokke
mosque-ectomies have not been pre-approved.

My info says...only in extreme circumstances (too many marines are already dead) can one order PC light (which 500 pounders are, as they are at the far end of the tonnage spectrum) weapons against not the mosque itself, but the compound. This still requires approval from a very high level.

I would like to see pictures of the bombing that happened a few days ago to see what the reality is.

When the local mosque has the same status as Achmed's Coffee Shop I'll know we're making progress.

The next time we are fired upon from a mosque, a 2000 pounder through the filthy dome should be the response.

31 posted on 04/11/2004 10:27:53 PM PDT by tubavil
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To: tubavil
"My info says...only in extreme circumstances"

True, which has been defined as when the mosque is being used for offensive operations against our troops, which nullifies its protection under the Geneva Convention. I don't consider that too restrictive. It becomes a legitimate military target at that point, and does not require anything resembling Presidential approval to be hit. In fact, the decision can be made by the troops in contact.
Don't discount the destructive ability of a 500lb bomb. It is more accurate than its 2000lb brother, and is more than capable of flattening a mud walled mosque. Plus, it has the added side affect of not flattening the friendly Marines within 1/2 mile of its impact point. Sure, 500lb bombs are the smallest we carry...but they are the weapon of choice for countless reasons that have nothing to do with PC.
Bottomline, I agree with your final statement with one editorial adjustment..."The next time we are fired upon from a mosque, two 500 pounders through the filthy dome should be the response. "

32 posted on 04/11/2004 11:20:39 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
We can afford to be munificient for one day.

Who can afford it ?

They are holding (and presumably torturing and mutilating) American and other coalition hostages.

This is not the shuk ...

33 posted on 04/12/2004 12:39:09 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: ASA Vet
I'm still waiting for the "overwhelming" part.

Words have meaning. American credibility is diminished when American leaders do not follow through on their words. This is turn costs more American lives.

34 posted on 04/12/2004 12:41:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
This is turn
This in turn
35 posted on 04/12/2004 2:54:33 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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