Uncertain Future for the Serbian Refugees

According to the Serbian government, the Albanian riots of March 17-19 in Kosovo resulted in 9 Serbs killed, 143 wounded, 15 missing, and 3,205 displaced. Hundreds of homes were destroyed, and 15 towns and villages ethnically cleansed. Most important of all for Serbian culture, 35 churches and monasteries were destroyed and 3 cemeteries desecrated.

Eyewitness reports indicate that the Albanian mobs were armed with machine guns, AK-47's, pistols, rifles, and hand grenades, not to mention rocks and improvised cluster bombs (Molotov cocktails filled with nails). An informed source claims that four of the Serbs killed had been shot by illegal "dum-dum" bullets that fragment within the body, causing an excruciatingly painful death. Others were knifed or burned alive by the rampaging mobs made up of Albanian men from their early teens into their 80s.

After discussing the riots' organization and goals, I will give the reader a glimpse into the human side of the catastrophe, by citing testimony from some of the refugees I met last week in Kosovo.

Despite the media whitewashing and contrary to other conjectures, the Kosovo riots were not the spontaneous outcome of the Albanians' righteous rage and grief. Rather, they were well-planned, well-supplied terrorist attacks masquerading as popular marches, carried out with the complicity of the Albanian KPS (Kosovo Police Service) and with the blessings of top figures in the Kosovo Albanian leadership, organized by the successor organizations of the Kosovo Liberation Army and its various youth factions.

Both Macedonian and Serbian intelligence officials have detailed evidence to support this assertion. Eyewitness testimony also confirms that Albanian KPS officers actively participated in leading the riots. The range of weaponry employed, and the fact that buses, vans, and taxis were all mobilized to transport tens of thousands of Albanian rioters reveal the organized nature of the campaign.

International officials agree. "Let's be realistic," Tracy Becker, the UNMIK regional media officer in Mitrovica told me last week. "It's impossible to have Kosovo-wide riots without organization." Another UN spokesman said the same back on March 18, according to the Scotsman: "…this is planned, coordinated, one-way violence from the Albanians against the Serbs… nothing happens spontaneously in Kosovo."

Oliver Ivanovic, a member of the Kosovo Parliament Presidency, told me on Wednesday that the riots were "…very well organized. Simultaneous attacks on 15 different places can only be done if you have strong logistics and coordination. It was all in accordance with a plan."

"…first they threatened to attack North Mitrovica, which they never intended to take – too many Serbs are there. But this maneuver did succeed in pulling the international soldiers north, and leaving central Kosovo empty and undefended. The Albanians were thus able to attack those Serbian settlements much more easily."

The city of Mitrovica, divided by the Ibar River, is the borderline between the Albanian-dominated bulk of Kosovo and the purely Serbian northern corner of the province bordering on Serbia proper. The population of the northern side has swelled from 8,000 to 12,000 in the last five years, as Serbian refugees from other parts of Kosovo flock there. Even though they are heavily armed and vastly outnumber the Serbs, the 60,000 Albanians of the south know that they cannot take it, and therefore don't try.

Thus, rather than concentrate their attack on the northern Serbian stronghold, the Albanian mobs chose to devastate isolated Serb settlements populated mostly by poor, elderly farmers left entirely defenseless by five years of UNMIK weapons collections. Yet the colonial administration does not dare to disarm the Albanians, for fear of provoking retaliatory violence.

Several examples from this latest wave of ethnic cleansing support the theory. South of Mitrovica, the Serbian population of the farming village of Svinjare was expelled, with 140 houses ruined. The scene was "absolutely heartbreaking," said one international official, who added that local Albanian perpetrators had started spray-painting their names on the charred ruins to mark their new "property."

I saw an example of this in Obilic, a village further south, near Pristina, where an Albanian man had spray-painted his name on a burned Serbian home. All around were charred ruins of houses, smashed furniture, and dead pigs, everything of value stolen. Out of the wreckage a playful dog ran up to me, yapping in front of what was once his master's home. He was guarding it from intruders, perhaps. But there was no longer any need.

Obilic was once an ethnically mixed village; directly adjacent to these destroyed houses were the untouched homes of Albanians. I saw one Albanian boy, no older than six, looting firewood from the gutted home of his former neighbor. In the street, we were met by the long, suspicious stares of grouped men defiantly proud of their crimes and unwilling to tolerate any mention of them.

Purging central Kosovo of Serbs was important because the second-largest grouping of enclaves is located there. The village of Caglavica, which was one of the first places attacked, has good soil, and is on the main north-south road from Pristina to Skopje. It is also the first village that guards the largest remaining Serbian enclave in the area, that of Gracanica and its outlying villages. The area has strategic position, comprises a large area of high-quality farmland, and remains a chronic thorn in the side of Albanians striving for an ethnically pure Kosovo.

Other villages in the Pristina area that were decimated include Ljipljan and Kosovo Polje (though some Serbs remain in one corner of the latter town, under KFOR protection). In the capital, Pristina, the entire remaining Serbian population was completely expelled. Although before the NATO bombardment of 1999 some 40,000-50,000 Serbs lived in Pristina, by 2004 only about 150 remained. These survivors were relegated entirely to one apartment block. The mobs took care of them on March 17.

According to Ivanovic, this pattern of ethnic cleansing indicates that the Albanians' goal was "…to push the remaining Serb settlements away from the major roads and railways, and so isolate them from the outside world. This is very easily seen when you look at exactly which villages were targeted."

The Serbian villages of central Kosovo that were spared, such as Priluzje (located a few miles north of Obilic), have, however, lost contact with the outside world. As of last Tuesday, the train connecting them with the town of Zvetcin to the northwest of Mitrovica had been suspended for 10 days. This train represented their only means of getting supplies from Serbia proper. Now, no one knows when the train will resume, but the villagers fear they cannot travel safely without UN police escorts. Some Greek police were present on the train for two years, villagers said, but recent NATO downsizing has meant the elimination of that program.

Meanwhile, shop supplies dwindle, and listless teens file up and down the village's dusty main street. "We have all finished our high school studies," said one 17 year-old boy, "But we can't work, and we have nothing to do."

When asked whether he planned to stay and fight when the inevitable Albanian attack comes, the teen wistfully replied, "…we would like it if you could take us to America with you." So much for that much-feared "Serbian nationalism."

One of the main promises of the UNMIK administration is that all refugees will be returned to Kosovo as part of its "Standards Before Status" conditions for eventual independence. "Yet what's strange," adds Oliver Ivanovic, "is that there were 35 churches destroyed in 2 days. In the 5 years before that, 118 churches were destroyed. All of the churches in Prizren were destroyed, because its previously displaced Serbs are supposed to be brought back there this year."

In this light, the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from hardcore KLA country in the south near Prizren and in the west near Djakovica and Pec become more understandable. Since a mark of any civilization is the presence of cultural monuments, the massive destruction of Serbian churches in this area shows the true intent of the Albanian militants. The western half of Kosovo is known to Serbs as "Metochia," a Greek word denoting church property. The wholesale destruction of Serbian churches and monasteries since 1999 and which accelerated last month betrays the desire to eliminate a whole people's history, culture, and right to exist.

Prizren, which had featured age-old mosques next to churches and a beautiful historic town, was hardest hit. It was described to me as a "little Jerusalem" by one resident Arab, and as "the most beautiful town in the former Yugoslavia" by a Serb. In 2002, it was listed as one of the world's 100 most endangered sites by the World Monument Fund. Among the other priceless churches destroyed was the 14th century cathedral of The Holy Virgin Ljeviška, one of the world's most important monuments to Byzantine art. On March 26, Bishop of Kosovo Artemijie lamented:

"…how can people destroy a city in which they themselves are living? How can they calmly sit on benches and nonchalantly stroll in front of burning churches whose ruins stink of urine and feces left behind by the attackers? Where did such barbarity at the dawn of the 21st century come from, barbarity promoted not by some small group of extremists but by thousands of people who destroyed centuries of culture and civilization in their campaign of destruction?"

Some of the 150 Serbians expelled from Pristina on March 17 are currently being housed in an elementary school gym in Gracanica. The scene there is gloomy; cots lined up against the walls, black plastic bags of donated clothes and provisions, tinny music emanating from a little clock radio. Old people lay crouched in their beds while the few small children try to shoot baskets to entertain themselves. My local guide and I sat down to talk with one group of refugees, and instantly hospitality materialized in the form of Turkish coffee made on a plug-in burner. In Kosovo, even people who have nothing left want to give.

According to the refugees, who were all living in the same high-rise apartment block on the western edge of Pristina, the trouble began shortly before dark on Wednesday, the 17th of March. An old woman recalls standing on her balcony and seeing smoke and fire in the distance. She ran to her neighbor to tell her "Something is burning in Kosovo Polje!" This inferno and the arrival of a crowd of Albanian toughs at around 7:30 frightened the Serbs. "And so," the refugee went on, "we began to gather the most necessary items and documents, just in case."

By 8:30, the mob had multiplied to several hundred. It was made up of armed men and boys of all ages. They were chanting the standard rallying cry of the former Kosovo Liberation Army ("UCK! UCK!"), and soon had broken the windows of all the first-floor apartments with rocks and shotgun shells. Witnesses saw taxis and vans continually bringing more and more Albanians in, some of whom they recognized from the neighborhood. According to the refugees, the rioters were enabled by four or five Albanian KPS officers, who invited them to come closer and also threw Molotov cocktails at the trapped Serbs. When someone desperately rang up the UN Police to report the emergency, the officer who answered "…just laughed and said, 'we have a patrol in the area.'"

The situation became much more serious after the power was mysteriously cut at 9 PM. This seemed like a cue for the rioters to begin charging the building. They blocked off all the entrances, and began firebombing Serb-owned cars outside the building and then the structure itself. When the power came on again at 10 PM, the people trapped in the building turned off all lights and lay on the floor, intermittently peeking out the windows to see what was happening.

"Was it just a coincidence that the electricity was cut at the same moment they started their attack?" asks another refugee, Tanya Vudatovic. Until the riots, Vudatovic had been working in a Pristina NGO. It was difficult, and sometimes dangerous, but she felt safe enough. Not anymore.

"For five years," she recounts, "we were locked inside a building and subjected to constant surveillance and hostile stares from our Albanian neighbors. Even if you went downstairs to a shop, they were constantly watching you. We didn't even go out after dark. Yet even through all that, we still thought maybe we can live together. Not now."

Despite nearly having been killed by the Albanian mob, Vudatovic and the others are this evening enjoying a laugh with an Albanian colleague working to develop multi-ethnic radio. He had happened to be visiting them on the night of the riots, when Vudatovic and 32 others huddled inside an apartment barricaded by metal bars and marked by an OSCE sign. "Hiding behind such signs has been one of our tricks for survival," said Vudatovic. The presence of the metal bars, she is convinced, is the only reason they survived the attacks.

At around 11 PM, KFOR arrived with 2 vehicles. They passed across the front side of the apartment building and, while they remained, the crowd fell back. This detachment was soon replaced by a UN armored vehicle. The Serbs thought that they had been saved, and some made the mistake of opening their doors. But the peacekeepers inexplicably left after 15 minutes, and the mob regained strength, breaking into the building and baying for blood.

All in all, the rioters ransacked around 30 apartments and burned 4 others, according to the residents. Incredibly, no Serbs were killed, probably because they had taken shelter together in a few well-fortified apartments, placing tables, chairs, and anything heavy in front of the doors. However, had the peacekeepers not returned around 1 AM, many people would surely have died of fire and asphyxiation.

The arriving UN police soon found themselves under attack. The mob was furious at being stymied in their attack. But the police managed to break through the rioting crowd and started sweeping from the top floors down. A young mother named Vesna reveals the vital role American policemen played in the rescue:

"…one of them took my son, and the other, a female officer, tried to run with me towards the bus. She shielded me with her body, because the Albanians were shooting at us from all directions. When we got to the bus she pushed me down against the vehicle, blocked me from the bullets and saved my life."

Meanwhile, Vudatovic and the others in the barricaded apartment below waited it out. "Even now when I lie down," she says, "I can still hear this roaring sound in my ears… it's very hard to explain what it was like, sitting in a corner in the dark, begging God to help you." When I ask for her to attempt a description anyway, she recounts:

"…we could hear the mob gathering outside the door. They were calling for me and my sister, shouting, 'Where are the two Serbian bitches?' We were covering the mouths of the children so they wouldn't scream. Out of the people in the apartment, only 4 were men, and all were unarmed. The Albanians would have killed all 33 people inside that room.

…then we heard someone screaming for help. After a few minutes of hearing his cries, one woman said, 'I can't stand it, we have to help him.' So we removed the furniture blocking the door, went out in the hall and found a 34 year-old Serbian man covered in blood. He had been stabbed in the head. At that moment three Irish KFOR soldiers came running up the stairs. It was just a matter of seconds. They said to us, 'We don't have time! Go, go!' But the entranceway was engulfed in flames, and we had to run through the fire in order to get out."

A few miles west of Pristina, in the little town of Kosovo Polje, Albanian rioters burned the post office, a restaurant, a hospital, and scores of houses, driving the Serbs away from the main road bisecting the town and railroad station. A British SFOR tank hastily imported from Bosnia now stands guard over the town's imperiled church, although it's unlikely that this nominal force of teenaged soldiers will be able to stop any determined attackers.

One refugee, a middle-aged man whose house was located behind the Post Office recounted what he saw:

"…first, they took my nephew's car from the garage and burned it. We saw how they were throwing rocks at the Serbian houses. We all stayed indoors. But one old man who was caught outside while cleaning his house with his wife was kicked down by the mob. The Albanians let his wife go, but they lit the man on fire and burned him alive right there."

This witness, whom I encountered in a "safe" part of the (still) ethnically-mixed town, was remarkably composed considering what he had witnessed, and considering that the perpetrators were less than a mile away. He added:

"…my elderly uncle was stabbed by Albanians as he was trying to run from a neighbor's house into his own. Luckily we were near enough to see him, and we saved him. But the KPS Albanian police saw them attack him and did nothing."

Eventually, the Serbs were evacuated by three of their ethnic kin who happened to work in the KPS. But these policemen could not save their homes from the Albanian mobs that moved methodically from house to house in groups of 30, looting, pillaging, and burning.

I asked the Kosovo Polje man, standing with some friends outside a little shop in the protected end of the town, what he envisions for the future. After all, he told me that he also owns an apartment in Belgrade – but has nevertheless chosen to remain in Kosovo:

"…after these five years, we thought it might be possible to live together. We had started to shop in Albanian stores, to walk more freely in the streets. Now there is no chance for that. Still, we had imagined the mob would stop at burning vehicles and big buildings – not houses or people. KFOR has taken all our weapons from us – only if they allow the Serbian police to return can we be saved."

In the village of Obilic, as in Pristina, the entire Serbian population was expelled. I met several refugees from the village now being housed in Priluzje, a Serbian village a few miles to the north. One middle-aged woman made homeless by the riots gave her testimony:

"…at 10:30 AM on Thursday the 18th we left our house, my daughter and I. A neighbor took us in the van with them. We didn't have time to take anything, only the clothes on our back. There were over 1,000 Albanians coming towards us, burning and shooting."

I asked the woman whether she hoped to return to her village someday. She replied, "No, I have no wish to go back to Obilic. I will stay here if Priluzje survives, and if our Serbian army and police arrive to protect us, since KFOR does not seem able to do so."

A very old man, bearded and with a gravelly voice, recounted how he has been expelled from Obilic 4 times since 1999, when his home was first burned by Albanians. After that, he moved into a neighbor's house. When that was burned down, too, he was moved into a new building, and then into a camp in Pristina. He claims that since the camp was also used by KFOR for storing gasoline, "…the smoke choked us, we felt sick, and I got an infection in my veins."

Like many other refugees, the old man declares that "What I'm wearing now is all that I have." Nevertheless, there is some of the old Serbian obstinacy left in him:

"…I will go back to Obilic if there is safety, and if they rebuild our houses. But if they're not capable, let us bring in our own security and police forces."

Another elderly man, Slobodan, is temporarily housing these Obilic refugees in the home of his children and grandchildren. "I am 83 years old," he says, "I have lived through 3 wars, and it has never been harder for the Serbian people than it is now. In the past, our enemies weren't killing children, women, and old men, and destroying churches. How can we live if we aren't allowed to defend ourselves, and no one else will?"

The next day, back in Gracanica, my guide and I give a lift to a Serbian man carrying a heavy box of humanitarian supplies. Turns out that he's a refugee from Obilic too, being sheltered now within the enclave. When we describe the ruins we'd photographed in Obilic, the man recognizes one as being his former house. "Did you happen to see my dog?" he asks, hopefully, and describes the same mutt that'd been yapping around my feet the day before. "Ah! He lives still!" beamed the refugee.

Now, the UN administration in Kosovo claims that the peace has been restored. But no one can know for sure. For Serbian victims of ethnic cleansing and for those others whose villages survived the latest attacks, waiting is the only option. Yet since everyone knows the NATO forces are too few, and the Serbian minority too vulnerable, there's little reason for optimism. Their safety can only really be guaranteed by re-introducing Serbian troops to Kosovo. However, such a decision would cause instantaneous all-out war from the Albanians. And so, since no one is willing to risk the unthinkable of war for the sake of a few straggler Serbs, their gradual elimination will forestall the need for any such decision. And so will that other unthinkable – ethnic cleansing in the heart of Europe – be quietly tolerated by the West's would-be guarantors of civil society and human rights.

As promised, I've been reading and learning -- and I'm still in the process! Thank you for taking the time to help me with my education. Alas, I find quite a bit of it confusing, so please bear with me. I haven't managed to come to any conclusions yet.

I understand that Russians taking exception to being encircled by NATO "partners" including Ukraine. And I don't blame them for being a bit paranoid. (Hey, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!) In such a frame of mind, it's easy to link up a vocal Brzezinski and the very real machinations of US/NATO with the Pope's visit. And it was in Putin's interest to do so. At least he could look like the tough guy standing up to West on this point. I'm interested in finding whether there really was a direct link.

The Russians I have known felt rather miffed about Ukraine going its own way and thought Ukrainians were stupid for doing so. I don't know if it's still "in the air" in Ukraine, but I remember "ethnic Russians" in the Ukrainian military getting in fistfights with "regular Ukrainians" in 1992 in Cambodia over the breakup of the former USSR. I didn't quite understand it all, but it was obvious they disagreed about some things!

I can't quite piece together what all the disagreement in Ukraine over the Orthodox Church (which appears to be split at least three ways, with plenty of bitterness and name-calling to go round) is all about, but I gather that there's some pro-Russian/anti-Russian sentiments in the mix somewhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It really is very confusing to an outsider!

Ref Brzezinski: Yes, I can certainly see how distasteful Russians would find the "Brzezinski Plan". Again, I don't blame them. What I can't find is any evidence that Brzezinski accompanied the Pope on his visit to Ukraine, or that there's any special connection between the Pope and Brzezinski. All I found was something about Brzezinski commenting on Nightline about the Pope's visit while the Pope was there (indicating he didn't accompany the Pope, at least not for the entire visit). There are tons of news articles about that visit, and I certainly haven't read them all. So I may have missed it. I'm certainly willing to read any links you or anyone can offer if he did accompany the Pope on this trip.

I'm just trying to piece all this together and understand. I know that strana.ru is a Putin mouthpiece (all Russians know that) and, while that doesn't make it necessarily wrong, it does have a certain bias. And we all know the Western press has its bias, too! It's hard to find the truth.

In Lvov his pre-arrival contingent was busy making arrangements to raze an old Orthodox church in the middle of town so the pope would have room to speak there to crowds which would come.

From LVOV CITY AUTHORITIES INTEND TO RAZE AN ORTHODOX CHURCH TO THE GROUND FOR THE VISIT OF THE POPE OF ROME: "The intention of the city authorities to demolish the small wooden church of St. Vladimir has surprisingly coincided with the fact that the church is located at a city square to which the Pope John Paul II is to come in the course of his visit to Lvov. The church is located on a plot claimed by a community of the so-called “Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate”. The Lvov Mayor Basily Kuybida has decreed that the plot be re-registered in favor of this community, whose church is located nearby. The canonical Orthodox community of the acting St. Vladimir’ has been denied the opportunity to buy out the plot on which their church stands."

And now from, ATTACK ON LVOV BISHOPby Maksim ShevchenkoNEZAVISIMAIA GAZETA 28 August 1996: "In Lvov, land was allotted to the Ukrainian Orthodox church already in 1991, although the adherents of the UOC-KP seized the cathedral and the Orthodox have worshiped in a small wooden structure (ten by five meters and two meters high) for three and a half years. The authorities act as if nothing is happening. The authorities allotted to the UOC-KP congregation duplicates of documents after they added the stamp "KP." They turned over the bank account to UOC-KP."

Okay, now I'm really confused! Can you make heads or tails of what they're trying to say in this link? It appears to be written by a pro-Russian who only considers the Moscow Patriarchate as true Orthodox and who is none too pleased with the anti-Russian Ukrainians in Lvov.

And is this "small wooden structure" the same as the "small wooden church" in the first link? If any church was torn down for the Pope's visit, that's a terrible shame and I certainly don't like to hear of any churches being demolished. But if this is the same church, and it seems to me it is, then it was being fought over by different factions of Orthodox (Moscow vs Kiev Patriarchate aka Russian nationalism vs Ukrainian nationalism) for years before the Pope's visit, and the Kiev Patriarchate faction seems to have seized the opportunity of the Pople's visit to do away with it once and for all, much to the chagrin of the Moscow Patriarchate adherents. (I get the impression there's some bad blood between the loyal Russian folks and the patriotic Ukrainian folks in Lvov.)

Some of the other stuff I read about the Pope's visit:

Kiev or Lvov: Orthodoxy Meets Catholicism in Ukraine?

Orthodox church snubs Pope

Now, on to the Kazan icon. From Tatarstan: Three-Way Tug Of War Strains 'Kazan Mother of God' Icon: "

...But Kazan historian Khafizov says he believes that the Vatican icon is the genuine Kazan Mother of God. < snip >

The Mary and Jesus painting has re-emerged in the theological and political spotlight in recent months. Last October Kazan Mayor Kamil Iskhakov met with Pope John Paul at the Vatican to ask for the icon's return. The result was ambiguous. Iskhakov says the pope agreed to return the icon, but the pope said the matter should be discussed first with Alexii II, the Russian Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia.

The pope evidently intended to make a tactful gesture. But in Moscow, Patriarch Alexii -- who has made no secret of his antipathy toward the Roman Catholic Church -- took offense. Alexii publicly denounced the pope's meeting with Tatarstan politicians as a "provocation" and called Kazan's plea for the icon to be returned an "amateur initiative."

The pope has said he would like to deliver the icon personally to the patriarch on a formal papal visit to Russia. Russian Orthodox leaders say the pope is trying to use the icon as a lever to get an invitation from Moscow that he has wanted for a long time.

In Kazan, historian Khafizov proposes an alternate solution to the issue:

"The pope is willing to return the icon to the patriarch, but the patriarch is not ready to accept it. Tatarstan offers an alternative way. The pope could hand the icon to the Orthodox Archbishop of Tatarstan, with Tatar officials' mediation."

That solution does not seem likely to be adopted any time soon. It remains to be seen whether even the purported powers of the Kazan Mother of God are sufficient to smooth over the heated debate the icon has aroused.

I realise this is written from the Tatar point of view, but sometimes I get the impression that this Patriarch Alexii II has his nose permanently out of joint! Nothing at all like Patriarch Pavle, whom I hold in the highest esteem. I do realize that poor Patriarch Alexii has plenty of reason to have headaches and his nose out of joint. Between '92 and '98 I heard lots of stories from Russian soldiers about how there was a terrible shortage of priests in Russia. How they were baptized in '91 by a priest who flew into the garrison town where they were stationed and everyone in the town crowded into the hangar for a mass baptism and then the priest flew on to the next town. Then add to that all the various flavors of Baptists and charismatics and non-denominational and Mormon and Jehovah's Witnesses and whatnots who came flooding into Russia and totally confused all these people who barely had an inkling of the Orthodox Faith into which they'd been baptized.

I'm still confused, but at least I've made a start. I'm willing to learn and study more! Thank you again!

Hello wonders, thank you for including me. I am coming in rather late on this one, and all I did was skim through some of the exchange.

Let us remember that there are good people and evil people regardless of religion and ethnicity, and that we should recognize that.

I will briefly touch on the issue of Roman Catholic "expansion" and Russian "snubbing." There is no need to "evangelize" Russia. Russians have accepted Christ over 1,000 years ago. There are many others on this earth who could benefit from embracing Christ instead. Let the Roman Catholic evangelists seek those souls who need saving, as that is a much higher priority than "converting" Orthodox to recognize Rome.

The only difference between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics initially was the pope. If people were saved in the original Church for 1,000 years of its existence, I am sure the same unchanged Church is a good place for God's grace today without anyone's help.

The reason the Orthodox hierarchy refused to meet the Pope is two-fold. One, the Pope is also a head of state -- a secular title which we Orthodox find rather bizarre for someone who is also a patriarch.

Since the Pope cannot separate his two titles, President Putin correctly asked the Russian patriarch for his opinion on this issue and the Patriarchy refused to meet the pope for the same reason the Serbian patriarch Pavle refused to meet him in Bosnia: our church relations have not been normalized.

There was a lot of talk and a lot of hugging, but nothing concrete on paper. The pope is a Bishop of Rome. His honor is biblical, his juridical power and his defining position in the Church is not. The original Church was not dominated by a pope. In fact, it was pope's quest for power within the Church that eventually caused the rift.

The Orthodox position is very clear: we have not changed since the 7th Ecumenical Council. If that was the true Church of God then, it is the true Church of God now. Ecumenism is possible only by returning to the Church at the time of the 7th Ecumenical Council and laying all the dogmas and changes made since then on the table for discussion and Synodal approval or disapproval. The pope would no doubt be primus inter pares once agian for the entire Church, but not above it.

The Latin-rite Church is not ready nor willing for that and therefore our "normalization" cannot take place. We can, however, recognize that both of our Churches are true to Tradition and Eucharistic Mysteries and are therefore the closest in worship, theology and valid priesthood. As such we should act as one, our differences notwithstanding, when it comes to defending the Tradition and Mysteries that were passed on by the Apostles.

We are sister churches -- two siblings, very similar, and related, but two distinct personalities. Like all siblings we will disagree but ultilmately we are one family and should work to help and not hinder. We have forgiven each other, we have made peace once again. But let's understand that the pope cannot come to see the Patriarch of Russia or Serbia as someone higher in rank. He can only come as the honorable Bishop of Rome and a Patriarch in his own right.

The church is located on a plot claimed by a community of the so-called “Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate”. The Lvov Mayor Basily Kuybida has decreed that the plot be re-registered in favor of this community, whose church is located nearby. The canonical Orthodox community of the acting St. Vladimir’ has been denied the opportunity to buy out the plot on which their church stands."

The UOC-KP is a separatist Orthodox church trying to start up from the Russian church, but as a Ukrainian church. Similar to what we did here in the US - we broke from the Russian church here to begin the Orthodox church/America.

The UOC-KP are using the cathedral which was supposed to be torn down, and it was the cathedral not the small wooden shack described, that was to be razed.

The UOC-KP, although working to be separated from the MP ( Russian) church, was defended by Patriarch Alexy and the local Russian Orthodox strongly. And this intervention from Alexy was able to stop the razing of the cathedral.

If you visit the website of the Russian Orthodox church ( in Russia) you can read Patriarch Alexy's statements in support of the UOC-KP cathedral and his actions toward stopping the razing of the cathedral. It was not to be razed by the Russian church but by town officials who are RC. (Lvov is heavily RC, Kiev is heavily Orthodox)

Putin

"Putin, who meets the Pope on Wednesday while in Rome for a Russia-European Union summit, said his second visit to the Vatican was aimed at overcoming divisions within Christianity. "I therefore see my objective not in helping to get the pope to Russia but in helping steps towards unity. And naturally this is possible only if there is an understanding between churches," he told Italian journalists before leaving."

You really have to wonder why the pope did not just hand the icon to Putin, who certainly had the manpower to convey it back to Russia.

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"During his visit to the papal apartment, Putin took the opportunity to venerate the icon of Our Lady of Kazan, which is particularly sacred to the Russian people. That icon, which was sold to foreign buyers after the Communist revolution in Russia, eventually came into the hands of Pope John Paul. It is now carefully guarded in the papal apartments."

Manipulation is the only answer for this one, and sadly, the pope will lose.

I blame Alexy not one second for his refusal to submit to such childish behavior. I would never require that my children only return something which does not belong to them under certain conditions.

As my spiritual father said, the pope should just return the icon in a gesture of love and brotherhood, and see what happens then.

I can only conclude that the pope believes it is ok to keep something which does not belong to you, and to use it as a tool to barter with for something you badly desire.

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