Marines Encircle Fallouja (Operation Valiant Resolve commencing)

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And stateside, over three hundred americans will be killed on our highways today.

CNN Transcript: Coalition News Conference on Iraq

DANIEL SENOR, SR. ADVISER, COALITION PROVISIONAL AUTHORITY: Good evening. I just have a brief opening statement, and then General Kimmitt will make an opening statement, and then we will be happy to take your questions.

Today, the Iraqi police service formally arrested Mustafa al- Yaqubi, this pursuant to a valid arrest warrant issued by an Iraqi judge.

Mr. al-Yaqubi was arrested in connection with the brutal murder of Ayatollah Az Saed al-Majid al-Koy (ph), who was repeatedly stabbed and shot to death last April in front of one of the world's holiest shrines.

Mr. Yaqubi has been transferred to Iraqi police custody, where he is held at an Iraqi detention facility and will be tried by Iraqi judges in Iraqi courts under Iraqi law.

Today, the Iraqi investigative judge held his first meeting with Mr. Yaqubi to ensure that he fully understand the charges against him and he fully understand his rights.

The arrest and trial are about justice and law and order in Iraq. The Iraqi people want elections, not mob violence, to determine who will govern Iraq.

SENOR: General Kimmitt?

BRIG. GEN. KIMMITT, DEP. DIR. OF OPERATIONS, COMBINED TASK FORCE 7: Good afternoon.

The coalition is accelerating its offensive operations to kill or capture anti-coalition elements and enemies of the Iraqi people. In response to the latest increase in violence, in the past 24 hours, the coalition conducted 1,566 patrols, 10 offensive operations, 18 raids and captured 42 anti-coalition suspects.

In the Al Anbar Province, Iraqi security forces and the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force initiated Operation Vigilant Resolve to confront anti-coalition and anti-Iraqi elements in the Fallujah area.

The joint force currently consisting of 1,300 personnel from the 1st MEF, Iraqi armed forces and the Iraqi civil defense services have established a series of traffic control points around the city of Fallujah, along with additional assets to regulate passage and establish a cordon in and out of the city. A curfew from 1900 to 0600 has been established. And these are the first of a series of actions taken to attack anti-coalition and anti-Iraqi forces, to re-establish security in Fallujah and begin the process of civil military assistance projects in Fallujah.

Over the past 36 hours, there have been a number of demonstrations and incidents throughout the central and southern zones of Iraq, some of which turned violent as elements of Madi (ph) army incited and perpetrated violence against Iraqi citizens, Iraqi security forces and the coalition.

In Baghdad yesterday there were six demonstrations in support of Muqtada al-Sadr and demonstrating against the detention of Mustafa Yaqubi.

In Sadr City, three police stations came under attack, but all have been returned to IPS control.

In An Najaf, a large crowd gathered mid-day Sunday to show support for Sadr and Yaqubi, and the demonstration turned violent in the afternoon when elements of the Madi (ph) army attacked coalition facilities on the edge of the city.

In An Nasiriyah, a violent demonstration of approximately 200 Madi (ph) army personnel attempted to secure bridges entering the city. The only hostile action against coalition forces was a rocket grenade fired at a CPA building, which missed. The governor diffused the incident and the demonstration ended peacefully.

In Al Amarah, a crowd of about 2,000 built up peacefully during Sunday afternoon.

KIMMITT: At approximately 1700, an explosive device was thrown at coalition forces that led to violence. Order was re-established later in the evening.

In Basra, there were peaceful demonstrations by about 1,500 Sadr supporters in a number of different locations. There were some RPG attacks after the crowds dispersed without effect on coalition forces.

In Al Kut, a crowd of 1,000 Sadr supporters protesting the detention of Mustafa Yaqubi were dispersed without incident.

Today, those cities are relatively quiet.

There have been a number of demonstrations in Baghdad, to include a peaceful demonstration outside the Al-Hura (ph) police station in western Baghdad and a demonstration in the vicinity of the Sadr bureau in Sadr City.

There have also been demonstrations in An Najaf, Basra and Al Kut, with no reported violence.

There are reports of a takeover of a contractor building in An Nasariyah by Sadr followers, as well as other reports of a takeover of an abandoned building in Basra by approximately 200 Madi (ph) army members. In both cases, there is no violence reported and Iraqi police service and coalition forces are monitoring the situations.

SENOR: With that, we'll be happy to take your questions.

QUESTION: Can you tell us what happened today in Shula, where there are reports that there are helicopters that fired on targets there. Is that true? And what were the targets?

KIMMITT: Yes, there were attack helicopters, Apache helicopters used today in Baghdad. It is my understanding that one helicopter was fired upon by small-arms fire, approximately five to six rounds that hit, one round which may have hit the cockpit without injury to any of the pilots.

Acting within the limits and the inherent right of self-defense, the helicopter fired back with approximately 100 or so rounds of 20 millimeter, but no rockets were fired and no anti-tank missiles were fired.

QUESTION: (SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

KIMMITT: That information is wrong.

KIMMITT: As said earlier, the helicopter fired in self-defense after it had been fired on by small-arms fire. No rockets were used, only 20 millimeter rounds.

QUESTION: This is for you, General Kimmitt.

We've heard from senior military coalition officials that say that Sadr should be detained because they know they have evidence that he was coordinating attacks.

So my question is, why hasn't he? Or will he be? And if so, can we...

SENOR: Rachel, I'll answer that.

An Iraqi judge has issued an arrest warrant for Muqtada al-Sadr and that is based on evidence that connects Muqtada al-Sadr to the brutal murder of Mr. al-Koy (ph), a murder in which Mr. al-Koy (ph) was repeatedly stabbed and shot to death in front of the world's -- in front of one of the world's holiest shrines.

And I think the message to all individuals that were involved in that murder is that the Iraqi people want elections, not mob rule to determine who will govern Iraq.

QUESTION: I'm sorry, Dan, just a follow-up.

SENOR: Yes.

QUESTION: Has he been...

SENOR: What I said was there is an arrest warrant against Muqtada al-Sadr.

QUESTION: Dan, has he been served with a warrant? Where is he now? Has he been taken into custody?

KIMMITT: He has not been taken into custody. He has not been served with that warrant at this time.

QUESTION: Do you know where he is? We're hearing reports he's in Kufah, he's in a mosque surrounded by a large number of government. How difficult is it going to be to serve this warrant and arrest him?

KIMMITT: I think a lot will depend on how he intends to take the news of this warrant and whether he decides to come peacefully or whether he decides to come not peacefully.

KIMMITT: That choice is the choice of Muqtada al-Sadr.

SENOR: I would just add to that, the Iraqi Governing Council has issued just earlier today a very strong statement addressing this entire issue. And the governing council has specifically said that Iraqis should show respect for mosques and other holy sites.

QUESTION: These warrants were issued last autumn we heard. Why have you waited until now to try to arrest Yaqubi? And why haven't you detained Sadr earlier?

SENOR: Sure.

The arrests -- there were originally 12 arrests made shortly after the murder of Mr. al-Koy (ph). And there was a view -- and there is a view today in Iraq that when these cases come to trial in the effort to conserve Iraq's scarce judicial resources, that as many of the individuals involved in a particular case be tried at once.

The initial 12 individuals were arrested. Subsequently, after a meticulous investigation, additional warrants were filed. There were additional individuals they intended to pursue. The initial 12 were found early on and detained. It was more difficult to target some of the other individuals.

Recently, they had begun -- the Iraqi judge, the investigative judge had begun to prepare the case for trial. This is about a month of preparation. And in light of the fact that the case was about to go to trail, he thought it important to take another shot at trying to gather up some of the other individuals that had been involved and for whom there were warrants. Mr. Yaqubi falls into that category, and they detained him.

QUESTION: So you could have detained Yaqubi and Sadr months ago then. I mean, they've been freely available to be detained. Why only now?

SENOR: The investigative judge made a determination that as he prepared this trial that it is important to go try again, take another shot at trying to detain Mr. Yaqubi. And so, in consultations with coalition forces, we carried this out.

QUESTION: Can you just say when was the warrant issued for Sadr's arrest and when will the arrest be carried out? SENOR: The arrest for Muqtada al-Sadr, it was issued within the last several months. I can get you an exact date after this meeting. I know the warrant for Mr. Yaqubi was even prior to that.

And as to when the arrest will be carried out...

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

KIMMITT: You'll know.

SENOR: Yes. Let's just say, there will be no advanced warning.

QUESTION: I have two questions, and they're king of big, but it's my last day so I feel like maybe you guys will answer them both.

So, OK, the first one is, we've heard from doctors at the Al- Hakim (ph) Hospital in the al-Shula district of Baghdad that U.S. troops have been going in there and asking the doctors to -- anyone that they're treating with a bullet wound, to save the bullets and the fragments and put them aside so that they can then test those bullets afterwards to see if they're from coalition weapons. I'm wondering why they would have a crazy idea like that.

And also, my second question is the arrest warrant for Sadr was issued several months ago. Can you tell us when exactly maybe?

SENOR: Yes.

I just said in the previous question that I would get the exact data after. I said in the last several months.

KIMMITT: I have not heard those reports about coalition forces going into the hospitals.

QUESTION: A question for General Kimmitt.

CNN is reporting that General Abizaid has asked for options for increasing the number of troops in Iraq. Do you think that in the light of the recent events, more troops are needed to stabilize the country going into and following the handover?

KIMMITT: Well, if that was a statement made by General Abizaid, I'd suggest you ask General Abizaid.

QUESTION: (SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

SENOR: The Iraqi investigative judge had made it clear that there were a number of individuals that were connected to the brutal murder of Al-Koy (ph). And the first 12 individuals were detained some time shortly after, not immediately after the incident.

Keep in mind that the court system was initially in some mild state of disarray immediately following liberation, so it took some time to get organized. And then the Iraqi investigative judge began to organize the investigation. Twelve individuals were arrested. The Iraqi investigative judge is now prepared to bring the trial to court. And in an effort to conserve scarce judicial resources in Iraq, the goal by many Iraqi investigative judges is to try as many individuals involved in any particular case at one time.

In light of the fact that the trial was going to court and the case was being prepared, he thought he would take another shot at trying to gather up other individuals involved with the case, and that's when warrants were issued. And this matter sort of bubbled, if you will, recently.

To your second question...

QUESTION: (SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

SENOR: Let me answer your second question before you ask the third.

QUESTION: (SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

SENOR: It is not our investigation. It is the investigation of an Iraqi investigative judge. And we have been working with this Iraqi investigative judge, and a number of these steps have been taken at his initiative, not ours.

Now, to your second question, we intend to hand sovereignty over on June 30th. That has been our plan. We've made that clear that that is our plan going back to November 15th. And it will continue to be our plan on June 30th when we hand over political sovereignty to the Iraqi people, period.

QUESTION: Dan, there are several points in your account of the arrest warrant for Mr. Sadr that I'm a little bit unclear on. They're all small ones, but if you could help me clarify to understand.

QUESTION: First of all, if I'm not mistaken, we're talking about a total of 37 individuals then who have been implicated in the death of Mr. al-Koy (ph) -- 12 who were arrested shortly after his murder last April and then an additional 25 for whom arrest warrants were issued in the fall.

SENOR: Where is that number coming from?

QUESTION: The 25? Remember yesterday?

SENOR: Yes. It's a total of 25, 12 initial and then 13 subsequent. Now 13, including Mr. Yaqubi.

QUESTION: But you said a short time after.

SENOR: Yes.

QUESTION: So are you saying by the fall? Because yesterday...

SENOR: I don't know the exact date. But in any event, what I said yesterday, it's a total of 25 -- 12 have been arrested, now the 13th has been arrested, Mr. Yaqubi, and now the balance is 12.

QUESTION: Including Mr. Sadr?

SENOR: That's correct.

QUESTION: Can you name the investigative judge in Najaf?

SENOR: I cannot. I will try to do that in the next couple of days, but obviously I have to get authorization from that individual.

QUESTION: When did this judge issue his request for the coalition forces to, A, detain Mr. Yaqubi; and, B, to make public the arrest warrant for Mr. Sadr?

SENOR: I don't know the exact date that a discussion was held, but we have been in consultations with the investigative judge for some time.

QUESTION: And finally, your position is definitely that this announcement of an arrest warrant, of a murder warrant for Mr. Sadr, coming 72 hours after his sermon in Kufah, is just a coincidence and that it's related exclusively to the initiative of this investigative judge?

SENOR: Absolutely. The arrest warrant has been issued some time ago, well before any sermon he gave on Friday.

QUESTION: But the announcement is now.

SENOR: I'm sorry?

QUESTION: But the announcement is now, 72 hours...

SENOR: That's correct, because we are obviously addressing this issue with regard to Mr. Yaqubi and surrounding events.

QUESTION: Is any action being planned against the Mahdi army more generally? And if so, what?

And a separate question. I read an AFP report that said the ICDC turned on American troops in this neighborhood where the Apache fired today. Have you heard anything about that?

KIMMITT: I have heard nothing about the second report. I think it would fall in line with some of the other reports that we've heard over the last couple of days that have proven not to be correct.

We have a very strong policy and a very direct policy toward militias. Militias are inconsistent with a democratic, sovereign nation with a central government. We are particularly focused on militias that start attacking coalition forces, start attacking Iraqi forces, start attacking Iraqi civilians.

The actions of the Mahdi army over the past 48 hours is clearly inconsistent with a safe and secure environment and clearly inconsistent with the security of the people of Iraq. And we will take action as and when necessary to maintain a safe and secure environment in Iraq.

Individuals who create violence, who incite violence, who execute violence against persons inside of Iraq will be hunted down and captured or killed.

KIMMITT: It is that simple.

QUESTION: Could you explain in more details the events yesterday in Sadr City, you mentioned three police stations were attacked. The outcome was eight U.S. military lost lives, so was there real gun battle? What happened?

And my second question -- in Shula today, some of our photographers saw what looked like a burned out American military truck, so was there casualties on the American side, the convoy attacked, or whatever?

KIMMITT: If you would like the specific details, I would recommend you go to the 1st Armored Division. We could spend 15 minutes talking about all of the events of last night.

But, as I understand, the casualties were taken in two separate incidents as coalition forces were moving into Sadr City based on intelligence of anticipated attacks upon those Iraqi police forces.

But the 1st Armored Division has the details on that. And I would commend you to them for those details and the details of the large truck that, I think, many people saw on fire today in the al- Shula district.

QUESTION: General, can you say whether or not al-Sadr is being pursued also criminally in regard to the demonstrations that turned violent over the weekend?

And also, could you elaborate a little bit more on what's going on in Fallujah? There's been a report of at least one Marine killed there. I don't know whether it's related to the operation that's ongoing.

But are they operating on specific intelligence, pulling people out that they have developed information on?

KIMMITT: On the first question, not only are militias banned inside of Iraq, and when those militias turn to violent acts we will take actions against them, but we will also go for their leadership, their leadership organs, the people at the top, the people in the middle, the people that are inciting, the people that are planning, the people that are executing the violence.

As regards Fallujah, I would refer you to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force for the details of their ongoing operation. We did confirm this morning that there was a Marine killed in the Al Anbar region. For more details about the ongoing operation, we have embedded a number of reporters out with the first MEF and I think they could probably give you far more detail than we could from this podium. QUESTION: General, Dan, if we look at everything we've seen in the last week and what you've told us today about the decision to proceed with or without American active cooperation and encouragement with the serving of an arrest warrant against Muqtada al-Sadr, it looks as though you have reached a critical moment on the approach to June 30th, where the attempt to approach June 30th as softly and as cooperatively as you could in your judgment has had to turn to something much tougher; that we get the impression that there's a new steeliness, a new decision to go hard.

Is that correct?

KIMMITT: Well, first, I would say that that decision was not independently made by us. That decision to conduct offensive operations is in response to some others who have made the decision to, as you would say, go hard.

It was not the coalition that caused the casualties in Fallujah. It is the coalition that is responding to those casualties in Fallujah.

It is not the 1st Armored Division who executed combat operations in Sadr City for the purpose of disrupting operations in there. But, in fact, it was Mahdi army members who took on the 1st Armored Division as they were trying to set up control or re-establish control on legitimate government offices and Iraqi police stations.

We are responsive to the level of violence. We have a responsibility, we have an obligation to maintain a safe and secure environment.

We have forces that are absolutely capable, 100 percent of the time, to be in a mode of fixing schools, fixing sewers, fixing health clinics. That's what our soldiers would like to be doing. That's what our Marines would like to be doing and soon in Fallujah they will be doing that.

But their first and foremost responsibility is for safety and security in Iraq.

And when that safety and security is threatened, is challenged, and violence is incited and violence is executed, those same soldiers and those same Marines are capable of putting down their paint brushes and picking up their weapons to defend the people of Iraq and to ensure that the process of taking this country to democracy and sovereignty will not be impeded.

SENOR: I would just add that there are clearly foreign terrorists and former Baathists and other extremists inside Iraq that are trying to derail the process to June 30th in which we hand over sovereignty.

As General Kimmitt has said, we absolutely will not tolerate that. The Iraqi people will not tolerate that.

For example, Samir al-Sumaydah, a member of the Iraqi Governing Council, earlier today, was quite explicit on this point, that the debate in Iraq today is not between any two ethnic groups or any two regions; it's between moderates and extremists.

And there's no room for extremists in Iraq, particularly when it comes to issues like the rule of law and justice and ideas like the one I articulated earlier, that elections will determine who governs Iraq, not mob violence.

But I think it's important that this is not only a lead up to June 30th, because after June 30th, even if there are acts of violence after June 30th, American security forces will still be here. We will still be working side by side with the Iraqi security forces to address any violence or efforts to derail the new Iraq that are similar to what we are experiencing before June 30th.

QUESTION: General, Dan, if you looked at the Sunday morning talk shows yesterday, the display in American newspapers today, the media and indeed some politicians on Capitol Hill are presenting the events of the past few days here as a crisis, or at least one of the most critical moments in this entire American enterprise here.

Is that the way it's felt in the Green Zone?

SENOR: I would say that the way we feel is, in interacting with the Iraqis at the grass-roots level, Iraqis out in the provinces, Iraqi political, regional and religious leaders, we hear one thing over and over: It's important when we make a commitment to keep it.

We made a commitment to the Iraqi people that we would hand over political sovereignty on June 30th.

SENOR: We also made a commitment that after June 30th we will still have a major role in helping to reconstruct this country and continuing to secure this country, and that will continue on June 30th.

I think there is somehow this view that there's going to be this dramatic change after June 30th, as though the lights will be switched off and we will depart, and that is simply not the case.

Ambassador Bremer will depart, the coalition control or the coalition role in the political process will be handed over to the Iraqi people, but we will still have a prominent role here in security and we will still be deploying billions and billions of dollars in the reconstruction of Iraq, which will be spread over several years.

We will have the largest U.S. embassy here in the world. We will have, as I said, deploying over $18 billion with civilian reconstruction personnel from the United States and other coalition countries still here.

So while Ambassador Bremer will be gone and our role in the political process will be handed over to the Iraqi people, we will still continue to work with the Iraqi people, work quite closely with the Iraqi people after June 30th. KIMMITT: And I would just tell you that I'm not sure about the Green Zone, but I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers, Spanish soldiers and Salvadoran soldiers who had just been through about three and a half hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.

They knew what they were here for, they had lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells, the bullet casings, and frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident. They were confident for three reasons: one, because they're enormously well trained; two, because they're extremely good at what they're doing; and three, because they knew why they were there. There was no doubt in their mind why they were there. There was no doubt of their purpose.

And they knew that they were getting the support from the people back home. And they fully understood, in a very crystal clear way, what they were there for, why they were there, and what their purpose was, and is. And to them, there certainly didn't seem to be a sense of crisis. QUESTION: On the Sadr warrants and the chronology here, I just want to take one last stab at this. I understand that you're working on a timetable urged by an Iraqi judge.

Correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding of the chronology, but the judge made a judgment call -- no pun intended -- in the summer or early fall that there wasn't sufficient capacity or what have you to arrest individuals as prominent as Mr. Yaqoubi and Mr. Sadr.

QUESTION: But because the warrants were issued at that time, there was an official determination that they were likely to have been involved in what I think you yourself said was a very heinous and violent murder of a very prominent individual.

Certainly since that time, they have had an armed militia that you consider to be dangerous and potentially a threat to national stability and they have urged -- they have urged in a number of statements actions which could be interpreted as violent or disruptive actions.

Why was the coalition willing to wait all this time for the Iraqi justice system to get to the point where it could take on a challenge like this? Why did it allow this to linger for so many months if it was such a threat?

SENOR: You're asking us to make an assessment of all these other related factors in determining when action was taken or action was decided to be taken.

I can just tell you that we are dealing specifically with an arrest warrant. That is the basis upon which Mr. Yaqoubi was detained. And it was in consultations with an Iraqi investigative judge because it is an Iraqi arrest warrant. It's an Iraqi process.

Mr. Yaqoubi will be tried in an Iraqi court by Iraqi judges under Iraqi law. These discussions about when to act upon an Iraqi arrest warrant were based on consultations with the relevant Iraqi officials.

QUESTION: (SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

KIMMITT: For those personnel that we have captured in those locations, we will detain them. For those persons that we could identify, we will follow up our operations, conduct future operations, to go after them to capture them, along with the Iraqi police service. We will treat them the same way we treat any anti-Iraqi, anti- coalition elements.

QUESTION: General Kimmitt, what you are talking now, according to your talking now, is there any arresting memos will appear before the 1st of June, especially against Islamic leaders?

KIMMITT: I'm sorry? What's the question?

QUESTION: Arresting memos will be appear...

KIMMITT: I'm not going to comment on any other warrants that may or may not be outstanding.

QUESTION: (SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

KIMMITT: We absolutely do have a middle ground to avoid violence in terms of having the warrants served and Muqtada al-Sadr coming to justice. He's free to surrender. He's free to walk into any police station. He is free to have that warrant served upon him. He'll be treated with dignity. He'll be treated with respect. He'll be treated the same way every other alleged criminal in the Iraqi justice system is treated.

QUESTION: (SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

SENOR: We believe that the Iraqi Governing Council is certainly the most representative body in the history of Iraq and it's arguably one of the most representative political bodies in the entire region.

You have political, religious, regional leaders from all over the country, from all backgrounds. There are Sunnis, Shia, Kurd, Turkomen, Christians, men, women, again, from the north, from the south, from the central part of the country. We think it is a very diverse and representative body.

Before we wrap up here, I have one quick announcement that I wanted to make at the end.

Ambassador Bremer today announced the appointment of 28 new deputy ministers in 14 ministries. Nominations for these deputy ministers came from both the Iraqi Governing Council and the ministers themselves. CPA personnel and Iraqi ministry officials have worked intensively over the past year to increase the capacity of the country's ministries to function effectively and deliver vital services to the Iraqi people.

Their work has included everything from identifying qualified managers, renovating and equipping buildings and training staff. The appointment of these deputy ministers is another important step in these efforts.

This group of deputy ministers is expected to have major impact on the ability of the Iraqi ministries to develop their staffs, manage their programs and create effective ministries able to take on the challenges of the interim period.

This is a highly qualified group. The new deputy ministers were educated in Iraq, the U.S., some in the U.K., France and elsewhere. It includes seven Ph.Ds in areas as diverse as agricultural, political, science, law, electrical engineering, animal science, biochemistry. The group includes Iraqis from throughout the country, including six women.

We plan to appoint the second tranche of deputy ministers representing the remaining 11 ministries shortly.

KAGAN: We've been listening to a news conference from Baghdad. That is Dan Senor of the Coalition Provisional Authority, also Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, bringing us the latest after has been a very bloody and difficult weekend in Baghdad and around Iraq, basically bringing us the latest on arrest and arrest warrants out for people they believe insurgents in the violence, and also efforts to get control over Shia communities like in Fallujah, and also in Najaf and also in the Sadr City area of Baghdad.

I loved his "middle ground" comment to the arab questioner about serving the warrant on al Sadr.I was happy to see there are embeds that can report when allowed to on the Fallujah operation.

This is a waste of time.

I will tell you what the Islamist will do. Right now they are planting mines that are detonated by cell phone. They will hide the weapons, wash up real well, and wait for the Marines. They will make cell phone calls and kill some Marines. If the Marines find them they will arrest them and put them in the detainee camp and then take them to jail.

The Islamist will be smiling all the way. That smile will encourage others.

This is a waste of time.

The populace will continue to fear the ones who will kill them not the ones who will put them in jail.

You can not fight war with jail time. Why do we have to be told that.

We are trying to stop and ant army of Islamic Terror by putting each individual ant in jail - Instead of spraying down that anthill with INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH BLACK FLAG POISON.

Greg Palkot is embedded in Afghanistan. Steve Harrigan was in Pakistan, but he moves around quite a bit.

Call Cent Com,Inform the Pentagon.

"Kill them all, burn the town to the ground, bulldoze it level and spread salt all over it!

While Al Jazeera cameras record it all."

Here's a second option:

How about we change our tactical plan with an assumption that 99.9% of Fallujahans are not killers, do not desecrate the dead, want prosperty and liberty and security for themselves and their families?

We want to find and eliminate the .01% who are setting the roadside bombs, planning outrageous atrocities like the murder and desecration of the civilian security pros, and staging attacks with the design to elicit emotional overreaction. We want to find and kill butchers who have no investment in the successful future of the people and
economy of Fallujah post Saddam.

I'm amazed so many people on this forum have been sucked into the emotional, divisive vortex the event was designed to create. The Marines were on their way to Fallujah before the murder and desecration. That's why the event was staged. Do you think that AFP photographer just stumbled upon this event driving around Fallujah looking for a story?

This is a Hail Mary for the elements who wish to sabotauge American resolve to support and secure a stable, free and prosperous Iraq. They know what that outcome would mean to the dynamics of terrorism, despotism and radical Islamism. They know the impact a successful Iraq will have on the repressed masses of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians.

The merchants of international terror, despotism and ignorance cannot let the Iraq quest succeed. We're going to ensure it does. As long as George W. Bush calls the shots, we're going to pursue American national security interests. That means a free, prosperous and liberated Iraq.

It's happening with or without the media spin and their frantic agenda to create disillusion, demoralization and hopelessness. We owe the 25 million Iraqis who have not attacked the 170,000 American soldiers and civilian professionals who they understand are working for their future, to not permit thugs numbering in the thousands to steal our unbending commitment to the 25 million Iraqis who are depending on our resolve.

Kennedy Likens Bush to Nixon 'Credibility Gap'

By Thomas Ferraro

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy on Monday accused President Bush of having created at home and abroad "the largest credibility gap" since the Watergate scandal drove Richard Nixon from the White House 30 years ago.

Kennedy, a key backer of fellow Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry's campaign for the party's presidential nomination, also charged Iraq has become "George Bush's Vietnam," the war that divided the United States and helped force Lyndon Johnson from the presidency.

In addition, Kennedy said, Iraq has "diverted attention from the administration's deceptions here at home -- especially on the economy, health care and education."

In delivering perhaps his harshest assessment yet of Bush, Kennedy described the Republican president as someone who cannot be trusted on a host of fronts.

Kennedy, the leading liberal on Capitol Hill, renewed his charge that the administration had misled the American people and Congress into the Iraq war, straining relations with allies worldwide.

He also accused the administration of having knowingly sold an unsound tax-cutting economic plan that resulted in the loss of millions of jobs, a faulty Medicare prescription drug law that will cost far more than it acknowledged when the measure won final congressional passage late last year and an education program that Kennedy said Bush has refused to adequately fund.

"Sadly, this administration has failed to live up to basic standards of open and candid debate," Kennedy said in a speech at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank.

INVENT 'FACTS'

"They repeatedly invent 'facts' to support their preconceived agenda -- facts which administration officials knew or should have known were not true," Kennedy said.

The senator said, "As a result, this president has now created the largest credibility gap since Richard Nixon," who was forced to resign as president in 1974 as a result of the Watergate scandal that exposed abuses of power.

In challenging Bush's credibility, Kennedy repeated a central them of Kerry's own attacks on the incumbent.

Just months ago, Kennedy helped pump new life into Kerry's then sputtering campaign for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination. Kennedy has since remained a force in Kerry's bid to unseat Bush in the November elections.

Kennedy went after the Bush administration for pushing what he called misleading policies, as well as for attacking critics of those policies.

"Iraq. Jobs. Medicare. Schools," Kennedy said. "Issue after issue. Mislead. Deceive. Make up the needed facts. Smear the character of any critic."

"It is undermining our national security, undermining our economy, undermining our health care ... undermining our very democracy," Kennedy said. "We need change. November can't come soon enough."

Yes. Indeed. We tried that and went down that road already, didn't we. I believe somewhere in Asia a number of years ago.

But the dolts in DC, the career bureaucrats running the show, are going down the same failed road.

We ought to fire the whole bunch, and replace them with fluent English speaking and pissed of KURDs that we can security-clearance ASAP and bring to Washington....kick those bureaucrats and State Department types out of their Georgetown duplexes--and put the survivors of Halabja in there to finish the job against these Islamic animals.

Thank you for posting a rational post. My gut tells me we need to wipe them out, my head however tells me that only puts us in the same catagory as those who brutally murdered those 4 men. A very strong message does need to be sent to stop this from happening again. We cannot afford to cut & run or sit back and wait to see if it happens again.

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Kennedy said, Iraq has "diverted attention from the administration's deceptions here at home

Kennedy is an expert on diverting attention from deceptions in his home!

I was disappointed to hear Jay Severin on Boston radio this afternoon, predicting marines would die needlessly, that we'd fight the battle with our hands tied, refusing to use our tech. superiority because we want the Muslims who are killing men, women, and children, to 'like us'. He has a point, but I believe that we won't fight in Fallujah according to Marquess of Queensbury rules, nor will we be caught and cut down in alleys by mortars and automatic weapon fire.

The marine commander knows better than to fight the street to street battle that the Muslims and RATs predicted would drive us from Iraq from the beginning. Maybe we're a bit late taking care of business in Fallujah, but once things start to go bing, bang, boom, we'll clean up the town in short order...using our technical superiority.

It doesn't take clockwork execution to have spotters on the highway between Baghdad and Fallujah identify a military convoy, alert colleagues down the road who place a bomb and detonate it as the expected convoy passes by.

We should be shipping support materials in commercially labeled trucks, dispatched from different locations at staggered times. We should be moving personnel by helicopter, C-130 shuttles to makeshift airstrips, or stuffed into dummied oil or chemical tankers.

There is no excuse for the number of vehicles that have been hit, and the number of soldiers who have been killed and wounded in these 25 mile supply convoys using heavily traveled, publicly accessed roadways. Traveling in queue, in close order, driving easily recognizable vehicles and proceeding ahead to an easily calculated arrival time/location estimate.

If Hamid tells Ali that 25 Green military trucks just passed his fruit stand at 10:22, Ali knows they'll get to the bomb at 10:39 and he'll have a detonation vehicle and an escape route timed and planned. It's an outrage.

I wonder if it wouldn't be more likely that they are using Satellite phones or RF radio transmission than Cell Phones to detonate these things? I don't expect the cellular network in Iraq to be particularly reliable, it is highly tracable and the guy who detonates the package might be following the last vehicle in the convoy and he's so close and precise he could use his garage door opener.

They'll leave one way or another. Dead or alive. We'd prefer dead, but they'll raise the white flag fast once they know it's no more Mr. Nice Guy.

The cheering crowds and supporters are still there.

They think we won't use air power. They're wrong.

Cleric: Iraq's Sadr Turns Down Elders' Peace Appeal

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr has turned down an appeal by Iraq's powerful Shi'ite Muslim establishment to renounce violence, a leading cleric said Monday.

An aide to Mohammad Bahr al-Uloum, a member of the U.S.-installed Iraqi Governing Council, said Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, regarded as Iraq's most powerful cleric and a rival of Sadr's, supported the Iraqi seminary's appeal.

"The Hawza (seminary) is unanimous on this," the aide said.

"We asked Moqtada (al-Sadr) to stop resorting to violence, occupying public buildings and other actions that make him an outlaw. He insists on staying on the same course that could destroy the nation."

He said Sadr refused to meet a religious and tribal delegation at the main mosque of Kufa, near the holy city of Najaf, where he is staging a sit-in with armed followers.

"The delegation met Moqtada's aides, who did not express interest in relying on wisdom and patience," the aide said.

U.S. authorities occupying Iraq issued an arrest warrant for Sadr Monday in connection with the killing of a senior Shi'ite cleric a year ago.

Iraq's U.S. governor, Paul Bremer, termed Sadr an outlaw Monday, a day after battles between Sadr's militia and U.S.-led coalition troops in Baghdad and near Najaf killed 48 Iraqis, eight American soldiers and one Salvadoran soldier.

For the past week, Sadr has been at the head of violent anti-American protests. His followers have sworn to fight back if attempts are made to arrest him.

Unlike the Shi'ite religious establishment, which has historic alliances with Iraq's merchant class and has cooperated with the U.S.-led occupation, Sadr has denounced the occupation and demanded the withdrawal of U.S. troops.

His brand of nationalistic Islam appeals mainly to poor young Shi'ites who grew up under a crippling economic embargo and repression by the former Baathist government of Saddam Hussein.

to not permit thugs numbering in the thousands to steal our unbending commitment to the 25 million Iraqis who are depending on our resolve.

Eloquently and probrably correctly stated.

One of the problems seems to be that we don’t have the opportunity to see all the good our country is doing there. That said, it’s still difficult to see the small percentage causing so much pain to so many families here.

No desire or intent to give up. Just difficult...