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The question that all Conservatives and Republicans have failed to ask about 9-11.
myself ^ | 3 April 2004 | Trueblackman

Posted on 04/03/2004 10:56:30 AM PST by Trueblackman

Give the demands of liberals and democrats for Dr. Rice to appear publicly before the commission looking into 9-11, why is it that we as Conservatives and Republicans have not demanded that both Senators John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy appear publicly before the 9-11 commission as well, given the fact that both planes that struck the World Trade Center Towers came out of Boston's Logan Airport?

I remember Logan being ranked almost dead last in security and demands from the FAA that Logan improve security, now the questions that need to be asked are, 1) Was security at the airport ever improved as demanded by the FAA? 2)If not what role or infulence did the union have on local, state and federal officials? and 3)Where either of the senators aware of the FAA demand for improved security and did they seek to delay or forgo the FAA Demands at the behest of unions?

I think these are fair questions to be asked of both men and in fact I think Senators Warner and Allen should be brought up as well given that Dulles is in their state.

Fair is indeed fair, but Bush Officials haven't been given a fair shake by this commission.


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To: Howlin
What Did John Kerry Know and When Did He Know It?

A very impressive little piece.

21 posted on 04/03/2004 11:23:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: theFIRMbss
Exactly.
22 posted on 04/03/2004 11:26:53 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for George W. Bush IS a vote for principle!)
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To: Trueblackman
No one has benefited from plane crashes as much as John Kerry and the Democrats in general.

Kerry scooped up a rich wife due to a plane crash. I don't know where Teddy was at the time.

Kerry would have lost to Wellstone in the 2004 Dem primaries and inside polls showed Wellstone losing to Coleman for the senate. Teddy was in Minnesota when Wellstone's plane crashed.

Kerry wouldn't get any mileage out of the "JFK" initials if junior hadn't went down in a plane crash, Teddy was the nearest person from where the plane went down.

9/11 speaks for itself. Kerry buried critical reports regarding security at Logan. Not sure where Teddy was on that day.

John Ashcroft lost his senate seat because of a "ghost candidate" gimmick due to a plane crash which allowed the Dems to take the majority. Not sure where Teddy was on that day.

No, I'm not saying they caused these "accidents"...good heavens, not that!
23 posted on 04/03/2004 11:27:43 AM PST by Jim_Curtis
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To: Trueblackman
No they should be made to answer the questions too.

Fine by me.
But they're still gonna make me nauseous, no matter what they say.

24 posted on 04/03/2004 11:27:52 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Trueblackman
BUMP

For an excellent thread.

Some of this documented information should be excerpted for a Bush Campaign Ad.
25 posted on 04/03/2004 11:44:07 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Jim_Curtis; Mudboy Slim; iceskater; sultan88; jla; AdSimp; maxwell; Corin Stormhands
No one has benefited from plane crashes as much as John Kerry and the Democrats in general.

RINOs too!

Don't forget that RINO Big Jawn Wannah would not be the Senator fron Virginia if Richard Obenshain hadn't been killed in a plane crash in 1978.

26 posted on 04/03/2004 11:46:52 AM PST by P8riot (A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body.)
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To: Trueblackman
The Airlines bear responsibility as well..as does the Gore Commission. Don't you wonder why those ever so present in the past blend into the background during these investigations and leading up to it..?

Remember this? The Gore Commission

..."delays from bag matching would "impact the whole integrity of the system," the association and its member airlines launched a full-bore lobbying campaign. They met with the commission staff. They made the rounds on Capitol Hill. They leaned on members of Congress, who in turn pressured the commission to back off. And although Kamarck insists that "the vice president never met with the industry," officials at the Air Transport Association recall otherwise, noting that their president, Carol Hallett, had plenty of access to the White House. "She would routinely see Gore all the time," Doubrava says.

Eight days after Kamarck's press briefing, Gore sent a letter to Hallett backing off on his call for an immediate move toward full bag match. "I want to make it very clear that it is not the intent of this administration or of the commission to create a hardship for the air transportation industry or to cause inconvenience to the traveling public," he wrote. Instead of sticking with the original plan to match all bags to passengers, Gore began calling for an industry-backed alternative, in which a computerized profiling system would monitor suspicious travelers and remove their bags if they failed to board planes. The new plan was blasted by security experts, who concluded it would be simple for terrorists to evade the profiling system."

..."The rule-making process is very easily manipulated by someone with a lot of money and expertise, and the airlines have that in spades," says Rep. Peter DeFazio, an Oregon Democrat. "Anything that would cost them money they could fight, and delay rule making for years and years."

....The FBI and CIA continued to warn the commission that serious holes remained in the security system, and Cummock urged her colleagues not to back off. When she pressed for more meaningful give-and-take on security issues, a commission staff member pulled her aside and told her that the Christmas decorations had been put up at the White House. "If you'd like," she recalls the aide telling her, "we could arrange a VIP tour."

(..Victoria Cummock, who had lost her husband over Lockerbie. The Miami widow, who had become an advocate for air crash victims, flew to New York to meet the families of TWA passengers. In a hangar at Kennedy Airport, she met with President Clinton, who invited her to serve on the brand-new White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security. The commission would be chaired by Vice President Al Gore, lending it considerable credibility and power. It would include scientists, military experts, and high-ranking government officials. "My heart sang," Cummock says, recalling her conversation with the president. "I thought, 'Oh my God, thank God.'")

The nation's airlines wasted no time in expressing their thanks. The day after Gore's letter, TWA sent $40,000 to the Democratic National Committee, which was headed into the final weeks of the 1996 campaign. A month later, American Airlines came through with three contributions of $83,333 made over five days—a $250,000 burst of beneficence that it has never again matched. In the last days of the push to re-elect Clinton and Gore, Democratic Party committees also raked in $83,000 from Northwest Airlines, $117,465 from United Airlines, and $15,000 from US Airways. In all, the major airlines poured more than $500,000 into various Democratic soft-money accounts in the weeks following Gore's letter—two and a half times what they gave Republicans during the same period.

And remember one of our favorite Dem. Senators's wives provided most handsomely for her family in her lobbying for the airlines.

Cuts from:http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2002/01/airlines.html

27 posted on 04/03/2004 11:53:31 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: DoughtyOne
The House leadership is about as impotent as any group of people I have ever seen.

Other than the Senate leadership one supposes.

28 posted on 04/03/2004 12:02:21 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Trueblackman
I don't think the fact that the planes were out of Logan speaks specifically to Kerry's responsibility over the matter.
29 posted on 04/03/2004 12:02:41 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Hey D1!

Not to disagree (obviously disagreeing here...) BUT, when you said:

The Republicans control the House. How the hell did this commission get legs at this time in an election year.

The House leadership is about as impotent as any group of people I have ever seen.

Ever thought that what we have here is "terrorism" being debated and specifically 9-11 where Bush truly shines. By "yielding" to the left for a kangaroo court oops..."commission" the war and terrorism is in the public eye...a war Kerry voted for (before voting against the funding).

As crappy as the RATS get, it is better this fight than the fight on the economy (where the RATS talk down the economy...this is only a second tier sidebar now).

We're doing great here...

DD

30 posted on 04/03/2004 12:12:42 PM PST by DiamondDon1 (Card carrying Member VRWC)
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To: Trueblackman
I AGREE!
31 posted on 04/03/2004 12:19:58 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Trueblackman
I find it hard to believe I spent 5 minutes getting into this "discussion" board. What a group of crybaby RRRRRRRR. I cannot even pretend surprise, however, that when the entire country wants to hear from Dr. Rice, immediately, every ignorant, cowtown, wanna-be, finds 100 democrats to question. If I were interested enough to play "why don't we", we'd be here forever and you are all just too narrow-minded and ignorant. Let's start with "why is GDimwit in the Whitehouse to begin with?" Because he, as pimp for the gigantic big business corps whores, BOUGHT his way in. Everyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size knows that. So take you ridiculous whining someplace else. November will show you just what real Americans want and it won't be the dimwit you people defied our Constitution to stick in there. What GOOD has this man done?? NONE!!!!
32 posted on 04/03/2004 12:27:39 PM PST by nanared11 (1angryredhead)
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To: HitmanNY
I don't think the fact that the planes were out of Logan speaks specifically to Kerry's responsibility over the matter.

On that fine point you are correct, but consider that he was warned about both the lax security and the imminent threat and probable consequence. And what did he do... nothing, zip, zero. He forwarded the material, to the very institution that was at fault, the FAA.

I happened to testify before the Presidential commission on aviation security and terrorism in 1990, following the PN 103 disaster. This one was pre Clinton. I testified then and gave supporting testimony that the FAA's testing protocols and processes were corrupt. Nothing changed.

Kerry had/has the attitude that terrorism is not that big of a deal, so did the airline industry until 9/11.

33 posted on 04/03/2004 12:38:18 PM PST by There's millions of'em (Its an artistic difference... The terrorist see themselves as alive, we see them as dead.)
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To: nanared11
Well and we thought liberals wanted the truth and now they complain when you suggest we put partisanship aside and ask everyone be brought before the 9-11 commission.
34 posted on 04/03/2004 1:06:22 PM PST by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never rest and neither do I)
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To: Trueblackman
At Rush's website he had an article about how Gore stopped the airport/airline improvements - to get campaign donations.
35 posted on 04/03/2004 1:34:44 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: P8riot; Jim_Curtis; Mudboy Slim; iceskater; sultan88; jla; AdSimp; maxwell; Corin Stormhands; ...
'No one has benefited from plane crashes as much as John Kerry and the Democrats in general.
RINOs too!'

Yup!...both RepubRats & DemonRats...

'September 11th And The Bush Administration' - Compelling Evidence for Complicity

...So, you ask what's The Agenda?...

'THE GRAND CHESSBOARD - American Primacy And It's Geo-strategic Imperatives' - Zbigniew Brzezinski and the CFR's War Plans In a 1997 Book ("A Blueprint for World Dictatorship...,")

...and you say 'NWO - that's un-American'...

'Global “Peak Oil” Crash and related geo-political events...

36 posted on 04/03/2004 2:50:11 PM PST by harbingr ('Islam, the oldest & most persistent threat to Western civilization.',oh, corrupt NWO politicos, too)
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To: harbingr
Why are you pinging me to this BS?
37 posted on 04/03/2004 4:21:51 PM PST by Howlin (I'm a monthy donor..........wouldn't you like to be a monthly donor, too?)
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To: harbingr
2) There is incontrovertible evidence that the US Air Force all across the country was comprehensively "stood down" on the morning of September 11th.

Prove that one fact and maybe we'll listen to the rest of what you have to say.

And not from any BS tinfoil hat web site.

38 posted on 04/03/2004 4:24:22 PM PST by Howlin (I'm a monthy donor..........wouldn't you like to be a monthly donor, too?)
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To: harbingr
Thanks
39 posted on 04/03/2004 4:32:34 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: harbingr
Oh, brother. A wacko.
40 posted on 04/03/2004 4:33:44 PM PST by Peach
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