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If creationists cannot get the simple things right (such as what exactly the theory of evolution covers)

There you have it boys and girls: You MUST debate evolution within some thin cross-section of time. You may NOT ask how things came into being up TO some apparently randomly-chosen evolutionary beginning point, for "that is not what evolution covers".
Question the evo's with "what came before...." and they act like cats shot with a water pistol, running away while hissing and spitting over their (collective) shoulders, i.e., "what makes you think they can tackle more complex issues?"

They think they have answers, and concerning how nature currently operates perhaps they do, but in my opinion they're to terrified of the answer to even ask themselves the real question.

Here's a start: You evo's do a fine job of describing how evolution works, and you have (what you think are enough) fossils in your little collections, and you've even had some modest success trying to duplicate it in a lab, but not a one of you can tell me WHY evolution exists.

Alas, but instead of grappling with that question, you'll insult my intelligence. Seen it many, many times right here at FR.
What will it be this time? I have a comma out of place or have used a wrong verb form? Perhaps a misspelling will invalidate my opinions, eh?

ah, well: said my piece and I'm movin' on.....If I'm wrong I'll never know it.

108 posted on 04/06/2004 12:00:03 PM PDT by Ignatz (Cheerfully helping people be more like me since 1960....)
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To: Ignatz
Here's a start: You evo's do a fine job of describing how evolution works, and you have (what you think are enough) fossils in your little collections, and you've even had some modest success trying to duplicate it in a lab, but not a one of you can tell me WHY evolution exists.

I can. It's how God populates His Creation with new life forms.

(The original creation of life is outside the scope of evolution.)

Now I have to go back to my hobbit hole until I get back in good graces with Darwin central. ;)

109 posted on 04/06/2004 12:06:02 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Ignatz
You may NOT ask how things came into being up TO some apparently randomly-chosen evolutionary beginning point, for "that is not what evolution covers".

Ahem. You CAN ask how things came into being. You CANNOT conflate that with evolution, however. Even a simple-minded small child can understand this distinction. That is why I said, "if you cannot get the simple things right, why should we trust what you say on more complex matters?"

110 posted on 04/06/2004 12:15:41 PM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: Ignatz
There you have it boys and girls: You MUST debate evolution within some thin cross-section of time. You may NOT ask how things came into being up TO some apparently randomly-chosen evolutionary beginning point, for "that is not what evolution covers".

You MAY ask anything that you want. Just don't insist that we use evolution to explain things that aren't covered by the theory. Asking how evolution explains the first life forms is as stupid and meaningless as asking how evolution explains contential drift or the gravitational constant of the universe.

Question the evo's with "what came before...." and they act like cats shot with a water pistol, running away while hissing and spitting over their (collective) shoulders, i.e., "what makes you think they can tackle more complex issues?"

We do get a bit agitated when the same person is told over and over again that evolution does not address the origin of the first life forms and they still ask inane questions predicated upon the false assumption that it does address it. Sorry that we're so snippy, but there's only so many times before we can patiently explain it before we come to the conclusion that the person asking is either willfully dishonest or too ignorant to educate.

Here's a start: You evo's do a fine job of describing how evolution works, and you have (what you think are enough) fossils in your little collections, and you've even had some modest success trying to duplicate it in a lab, but not a one of you can tell me WHY evolution exists.

Evolution exists because life forms replicate imperfectly. Do you need a more detailed explanation than that, or are you just going to move the goalposts and pretend that I didn't just refute your assertion?

ah, well: said my piece and I'm movin' on.....If I'm wrong I'll never know it.

Ah, so you're an intellectual coward without the cojones to back up your screeching insults.
113 posted on 04/06/2004 1:36:57 PM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Ignatz
...but not a one of you can tell me WHY evolution exists.

Hmmm, maybe it's because there are imperfect self-replicators in an environment with limited resources?

114 posted on 04/06/2004 1:37:55 PM PDT by BMCDA
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