When should we stop supporting Israel?

VDH ^ | March 28, 2004

[atomic conspiracy]

You need to ignore the LLL propaganda for a while and acquaint yourself with facts. Palestinian Arabs who live in Israel itself are in fact Israeli citizens and they do vote. They are almost a third of the population and this has been the case since 1948. Israel has two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic. This too has been true since 1948.

The "Palestinians", as recognized by the UN and other leftist authoritarians, don't live in Israel as such, and they do not recognize Israeli authority. They live primarily in the "occupied territories" of Gaza and the West Bank. These territories were seized from Egypt and Jordan respectively during the 1967 war.
Israel has never formally annexed these territories, and no such annexation would receive international recognition.

Until very recently, Palestinian leaders and their western agents have asserted that they seek a separate state within the West Bank and Gaza. Having almost achieved this, they have raised the bar and now demand a "single-state solution."

This is typified by the new slogan "from the river to the sea" so much in evidence at left-wing demonstrations in the west. This single state would combine Israel and the territories and would have an Arab majority.

[Optimist]

Did you even read the original post? Or does that matter as long as you can spew your pablum.

[vanmorrison]

The American people may support Israel, but it seems that our leaders still can't draw a distinction between Jewish self-defense and Palestinian murder. I recall a recent article by James Lileks where he says that the official "tit for tat" description of Israelis killing mad Moslem murderers as retaliation for the deaths of women and children on Israeli buses and in Israeli restaurants by Palestinian suicide bombers has become banal and tedious. I agree completely. However, our government continues to keep the Jewish Defense Force on a short leash, when what is needed is a full force gale frontal assault on all of these mad Moslems with everything we've got. Our cowardly leaders treat the Israelis in the same way they betrayed the Montagnards in Vietnam. I say, let the Israelis loose, so they can put a stop to terrorist atrocities once and for all. Why not? The Israelis are the only reliable allies we have in the Middle East. We should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Israel, and tell all other mad Moslem Middle East kleptocracies to drop dead!

[blueriver]

Did you even read the original post? Or does that matter as long as you can spew your pablum.

I read the post, and even though I have strong opinions on this subject matter I have always made a concious decision to refrain from posting on this issue on any thread. Given your nasty comment I now realize that having a non positive opinion on what is going on in Israel is a ticket to getting flamed. Carry on with your party.

[Susannah]

You owe it to yourself to study the history of Palestine and Israel. It's in map form at http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

The Useless Nations gave Israel statehood, but never took action to protect them from their land losses and attacks by Arabs who refused to recognize Israel as a nation.

[atomic conspiracy]

"They were driven from their land when the UN took the land they were living on and created Israel."

This is simply a lie. The UN never took anyone's land. The Partition resolution of 1947 divided the former British Palestine mandate between the resident Jewish and Arab populations according to who was living where at the time.

Many (but, again, not all) of the Palestinian Arabs lost their land in 1948 when they joined the surrounding Arab nations in an all-out assault on Israel, as the combined Jewish territories had designated themselves when they declared independence.

Some Arabs were driven out as a security measure after they repeatedly attacked both their Jewish neighbors and their fellow Arabs who wanted to live in peace with the Jews. Others fled the fighting, and some left after their leader, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, had assured them that they could return and pick up the loot as soon as the Jews were killed or driven out. The Grand Mufti's promise has yet to be fulfilled but many, obviously, are still hoping that it will be.

Al-Husseini, btw, was an admirer and supporter of Adolf Hitler, visited Hitler during the war, and helped organize the Muslim SS division in the Balkans. The Grand Mufti had blonde hair and blue eyes (fairly common in the Husseini clan) and this probably helped his popularity among the Nazis.

Instead of hanging him as a war criminal, the post-war British Labour government (in its infinite wisdom) restored him to his position of leadership in Palestine. This was not the last time that western lefties have sold their souls to appease what passes for Arab opinion.

[Susannah]

Instead of hanging him as a war criminal, the post-war British Labour government (in its infinite wisdom) restored him to his position of leadership in Palestine. This was not the last time that western lefties have sold their souls to appease what passes for Arab opinion.

Execellent point! And most historians overlook the fact that the USA, and many other countries, turned Jewish immigrants away when they KNEW the holocaust was happening. FDR was among them when he told his cabinet leaders that "We are a protestant nation and you Jews and Catholics are here by suffrage." FDR also made statements when considering Jewish immigration; such as "I'm not certain they are such good people".

[Constantine XIII]

They're just trying to be flashy. 'Sides, maybe their snipers aren't as 1337 as ours. :D

[Richard Axtell]

Nope. Not in this world. You must mean that other world, they call Propagandaworld. On our world, Arabs that did not choose to listen to fraudulent calls for all to leave while the Arab nations destroyed Israel, became what they are today, Israeli Arabs. One fifth of the voting population of Israel, and represented in the Knesset by their own elected leaders. They are citizens and part of the democracy called Israel.