Iraq War Was about Israel, Bush Insider Suggests (9/11 Commission member Zelikow under attack)

Inter Press Service (IPS) ^ | Mar 29, 2004 | Emad Mekay

[lonevoice]

One response is that the left can't have it two ways which are diametrically opposed. Their main attack on the president has been that he knew Iraq had no WMD and that, in fact, Iraq's WMD program was in shambles, and the administration knew that Hussein was bluffing.

How does that square with Zelikow's claim that the administration believed Iraq's WMD were a formidable threat to Israel's security?

[Alberta's Child]

I posted that reference to Washington's Farewell Address in response to someone who didn't think I was an American, and didn't think I understood anything about our nation's founders.

But some of Washington's points are definitely applicable to the modern U.S. In fact, many of the items I highlighted seem to be a remarkably accurate description of many of the folks who roam about inside the Beltway pursuing agendas that are not in the best interests of the United States.

Certainly Washington and Hamilton would not have any problem with President Bush's actions in defending freedom.

Please spare me all that sentimental crap. I have yet to see a concrete instance of anyone "defending freedom" in any way -- at least insofar as the United States is concerned. I stopped buying into that hoax during the first Gulf War, when U.S. military personnel were: 1) sent to the Middle East to restore a royal family to a throne in Kuwait; and 2) were ordered to refrain from openly displaying religious symbols so as not to offend the very people they were supposed to be protecting. Put those two points together in your mind, and ask yourself if George Washington would even recognize what this country has become.

We are both on the front lines of a titanic struggle between civilization and Islamic lunacy.

No, we are not. Israel has its own problem maintaining order in its borders as a result of a long-standing dispute with Palestinians. The U.S. has its own problem doing business with all these quasi-nations (including Israel) that are the remnants of the British Empire.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Jackson was a conservative democrat. Teddy has always been a leftist kook. Maybe you aren't old enough to know what was what in 1970. But there were plenty of Leftists in Congress at that time.

My point is you are spreading falsehoods about Senator Jackson and there is nothing dishonorable about having worked for him.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Those who do not have America's best interests in mind are the opponents of President Bush who directly or indirectly support those attempting to undermine his efforts to make our nation secure and defeat its enemies. They certainly are NOT Perle and those others you attack without reason.

There was not a gram of "sentimentality" in my post regarding Washington and Hamilton. That was a dumb remark even for you.

Apparently your ignorance extends to the first Gulf War as well as current times. What a shock. Our troops were sent into Kuwait to REMOVE Saddam remember him not to change Kuwait's government? It would have been sooo much smarter to allow him to corner the market in oil and bring to fruition the weapons programs he was developing. Go back and hide under your bed this is obviously a world far too scary for you to play in.

Neither of your "points" has anything to do with anything. Washington would be highly pleased to see his country become the most successful and powerful in history as anyone who knows anything about him knows.

Israel is not a remnant of the British empire. While I am not inclined to explain ALL of history to you I will suggest you look up Ottoman Empire in an encyclopedia. If you have other questions I will try to help. Nor was Saudi Arabia, Iran or Turkey or Syria part of the British Empire. Iraq was a British concern (it became a Protectorate after WWI I believe) but never a colony or part of the Empire per se.

[Alberta's Child]

One very relevant point to this whole discussion is this:

Richard Perle resigned from his position as head of the Defense Policy Board soon after the war in Iraq began last March, when even his most ardent supporters realized that his blatant conflict of interest in the Global Crossing case was going to be an albatross around the neck of the Bush administration.

Perle remained on the Defense Policy Board as a member, and eventually resigned that post in February of this year. But not before uttering this quote for the ages after David Kay admitted that the intelligence community had clearly been incorrect about its characterization of the threat of WMDs in Iraq:

"I have always thought our intelligence in the Gulf has been woefully inadequate."

Now how's that for utter arrogance, and utter bullsh!t on the part of Perle. If what Perle said was true, then he was lying his @ss off during the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, when he and every other lackey in the Bush administration was running around claiming that our intelligence was accurate, and these WMDs posed an imminent threat to the U.S.

There's no question in my mind that the Bush administration is now looking at the CIA as the dupe in this whole affair -- to serve as the scapegoat for "inaccurate information" that led up to the war (the fact that nobody will pay a price for this "blunder" is a clear sign to me that this has been orchestrated from the start). In this respect, the "pre-war intelligence" fiasco will be forgotten just as quickly as we've forgotten about that disgraceful propaganda campaign before Gulf War I -- when those poor Kuwaiti women testified about all those alleged atrocities committed by Iraqi troops in Kuwait (their stories were fabricated, and it was later learned that these women were all family members of Kuwaiti embassy staff in Washington).

[justshutupandtakeit]

Oh, yeah and the Global Crossing matter is sooo important I can hardly turn on the tv without hearing about or pick up a newspaper without having multi-page front page stories about it. NOT. It is completely irrelevent to anything. Even the nutjobs are not trying to tie it to Bush unless they are spelling it Haliburton. Talk about a non-starter. Perle's resignation is of no importance other than as an indication of how a patriot did not allow the RATmedia any chance to get at Bush using something of no significance whatsoever.

You are spreading falsehoods about Bush's statements as to why we went to war. He NEVER said Iraq was an imminent threat. Do you believe everything DU claims? What WAS significant was that it was Terror Central and did not show that it had gotten rid of the weapons which THE ENTIRE WORLD BELIEVED HE HAD not just "the intelligence community." Even his own generals thought he had them. It is still not clear that he didn't. It took years after the first war before they were found and that only happened because his sons-in-law defected and told the UN. However, anyone who has even a slight degree of knowledge of these matters understands that many of these are binary and are not kept around ready to use but become so after mixing. We found plenty of shells for bio/chem payloads for artillary as well as for missiles. We found protective suits for his military and plans and components for all manner of prohibited weaponry.

Thousands of Kuwaitis were killed by the Iraqis, many were kidnapped and taken to Iraq and imprisoned for years. So you can take your Saddam Rehabilitation Project elsewhere it won't go here. Propaganda is used in war and there was some of it used in 1990 but nothing that changed anything. We were not going to allow Saddam to vastly increase his power by taking that country as a stepping stone before invading Saudi Arabia. Only irresponsible and ignorant fools would comptemplate such a thing such as John Kerry and Pat Buchanan.

Perle's comment about intelligence is hardly a blockbuster. No one believed we had great intelligence capability in Iraq. Much of the perceived danger was precisely because our agencies had been weakened, compromised and thoroughly undermined by your RAT allies. However, we did not depend on our agencies entirely in any case. They agreed with all the others such as the French, Iranian, Italian, British, German. But the point is that Saddam had to show he had destroyed them and he refused to do so. And as a result he sits in a jail unable to torture, murder and maim at his pleasure. I am sure that distresses you greatly.

There will be no scapegoating because it doesn't even matter except to the Bush haters and RAT lovers. Bush's actions were correct and he would do it again in a heartbeat. Terror Central is no more and the Islamaniacs across the world realize that unless they can dislodge us from Iraq their time in coming to an end.

[Alberta's Child]

True, but some Republican critics have Perle in their sights. Fed up with his constant advocacy of war with Iraq, Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel, who volunteered for Vietnam and earned two Purple Hearts, suggested "Perhaps Mr. Perle would like to be in the first wave of those who go into Baghdad."

--- U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel (R), Nebraska

Are you going to tell me that Chuck Hagel is an "anti-Bush" RAT ally," too?

Hagel, for the record, served in Vietnam as a volunteer.

Let's go back and look at the military record of Admiral Jeremiah A. Denton, Jr. I post these whenever his name comes up because I am utterly in awe of his service record -- he makes John Kerry look like a child in comparison:

Combat Action Ribbon
Purple Hearts (2)
Air Medals (2)
Bronze Stars (5)
Silver Stars (3)
Distinguished Flying Cross
Navy Distinguished Service Medal
Dept. of Defense Distinguished Service Medal
Navy Cross

I'm starting to see a trend here. I'll tell you exactly what drives people like Hagel and Denton crazy: They are sick and tired of having U.S. military affairs dictated by these Ivy League policy-wonk hacks who would sooner eat a dump truck full of sh!t than put on a military uniform.

[AmericanVictory]

You don't seem to be on ours. Nor do you seem to bear, in your opinions, any resemblance to George Washington, who warned against entangling alliances, not against defeating your enemies. In fact, he had those who supported the other side shot on a number of occasions. I don't buy off on those who seek to prevent us from being victorious and who undermine our troops being anything other than deliberate betrayers who wish our defeat, colluding today with the same odious characters that they did at the time of the Viet Nam War plus a whole new cast of racist, odious Islamofascists. How does it feel to be helping out the likes of Kim Jong Il?

[Alberta's Child]

"If America goes to war on Perle's cheerful surmise, any surprises will not be pleasant ones." --- George Will

Let me guess . . . George Will is an anti-Bush RAT, too?

[bayourod]

Good work. You most have something personal against Zelikow to be so motivated to produce such good info.

Inspiration has many sources.

[sarasmom]

Sleeper troll?
Or just another socialist Canuck mucking about on the net?
No wonder the Jewish people are generally so paranoid!
It would appear they have fairly good reason...

[Alberta's Child]

There's a reason why I don't get upset when people mistakenly assume that I'm a Canadian -- it usually helps to frame the terms of debate very clearly.

I've generally found that posts that include phrases like "damned Canuck," "socialist pinko from the north," etc. are remarkably devoid of any serious thought.

[sarasmom]

I generally call them as I see them.
If multiple people continue to eventually label you the same thing,(pinko, socialist, liberal, etc) perhaps your little private exercise in pseudo-intellectual mental masturbation is generating the proper results, but you are in denial and refuse to understand that you just might be a pinko, socialist, liberal, pseudo-intellectual masturbator.
Canadians often are in denial.It seems to be a national phychosis.
But this website is really not the proper venue for the mental health care you seem to need.
:^)
Dont you get it for free in Canada?(or is it LA, San Francisco,Beijing,Chicago,Cleveland,Kuwait, Paris or London?)
Better watch out! John Ashcroft is hot on your trail!
It seems worth every penny you pay for.LOL!

[Alberta's Child]

LOL. I can't even be angry with you.

You probably agree with me on most issues -- I just have a very direct way of expressing my thoughts on controversial issues.

P.S. I am an American, and I'll stack my patriotism up against anyone else here on FR. ;-)

[dalebert]

He should resign.

[sarasmom]

Excuse me for pointing out the rather obvious, undeniable fact that your self-selected "FR identity" and tagline refute your subsequent claims to US citizenship.
Sheesh.
One of two things are happening here.
1.You are a standard, garden variety jerk.
2.You are an ignorant,pseudo-intellectual,socialist,liberal, pinko jerk.
I guess in all fairness I can give you special internet hyperspace option #3.
Your mommy and daddy dont monitor your cyberspace activities.LOL!

[MARTIAL MONK]

Excuse me for pointing out the rather obvious, undeniable fact that your self-selected "FR identity" and tagline refute your subsequent claims to US citizenship

Whoa now mom. There ain't nothin' more American than driving the western slope in the middle of the night with a trailer full of horses, a bottle of Jack in the passenger seat and Ian Tyson blaring at 90 decibles. Alberta's Child ain't no ferriner. He should be happy he didn't pick my favorite for his moniker, Some Kind of Fool

[ladyjane]

Do you think Iraq was all about the Joos?

In terms of pronunciation, shouldn't it be Jooz?

Serious question. On other threads I've seen some freepers get chastised for using the term Jooz or Joos. You apparently don't see it a perjorative term yet others seem to. What is your take on it?

[AmericanVictory]

No, but he's as wrong and clueless on this as you are. I've always found George, though a brilliant debater, to be basically a Tory, but here he's (as Maggie would say)a little wobbly. What he and you fail to understand, is, that for a variety of reasons, we have no choice.

[Alberta's Child]

Outstanding.

Ian Tyson fans come to the defense of their own.

Martial Monk nows firmly occupies the #2 spot on my list of favorite people -- after Ian Tyson, of course. LOL!!