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Hello jjm2111 (and all other FReepers; I am a brand-new registered user) - while perusing thru threads generated after a "guns" keyword search, I got onto this thread, and in particular noticed your two posts about the unnamed "NJ gun shop". I will keep it unnamed, but I am very certain that you are citing a place where I am an employee.

Without being more specific on this public board, I wish to refer to the following comments of yours:

"BTW, the shop has an attached range and many cops are such piss poor shots I wonder how they pass the test every year."

I can tell you that I am in a position to observe the shooting performance of many LEOs who utilize that range, and I will verify your comments 110%. If you looked closely enough, you would no doubt have noticed numerous bullet impacts in the shooting port walls (among other places) which may well have occurred as a result of many of those LEOs' ADs when they "practiced" fast draw. My continuing observation of their shooting performance enables me to state the following with firm confidence:

1. Most of these LEOs are indeed piss-poor shots. They care not a damn about how well they shoot until it is close upon time for their periodic requalifications. The idea that they would dedicate a measure of time and money to even achieve, let alone maintain or improve, their shooting performance, especially under some kind of artificially-induced and controlled pressure, is poisonous anathema to them. There are some LEOs who, to my eyes, have exhibited exalted exception to their fellow officers. Praise be upon them, and God help the others.

2. Whether for "serious shooting" purposes, or merely recreational paper-punching, the number of civilians who can outshoot the lacking LEOs is far, far greater.

Yes, NJ is another whole matter. It may well become the first state to completely ban ownership and use of all firearms by non-LEOs or military.

You're an employee there? It doesn't start with the letter "R" by any chance?

If so, I was also quite disturbed by the holes in the port partitions, in the metal track that takes the targets back and forth, etc. If it weren't so dangerous, it would be funny.

When I bought my first gun as a civilian (I had handled firearms in the military), I took an NRA safe shooting course there. The instructor was really cool; ex-cop and COULD shoot, and very well.