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Canadians call U.S. best pal - Yanks pick Brits: Poll
THE TORONTO STAR | Mar. 14, 2004. 04:02 PM

Posted on 03/15/2004 8:04:42 AM PST by albertabound

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To: cwb
Well, You weren't first to the moon and you can't win at hockey either. I'm from Detroit.
21 posted on 03/15/2004 8:46:26 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: albertabound
Waller said Canadians know a lot more about their southern neighbour than Americans do about them.

It's not that we don't we don't know about Canada... we just don't like what we see and read. The fishing is great though.

22 posted on 03/15/2004 8:50:55 AM PST by johnny7 (The bell now tolls for Spain. Add Canada too.)
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To: albertabound
"Waller said Canadians know a lot more about their southern neighbour than Americans do about them."

What's to know?

Despite not fighting for their freedom, the Canadians were granted it by a benevolent Great Britain apx. 60 years ago.

Canada has spent virtually every day of that freedom rejecting everything related to a democracy, or to capitalism, and embraced everything socialist & evil.

This is, in it's entirety, the history of Canada.

What's to know? What's to respect? Nothing.

23 posted on 03/15/2004 8:52:29 AM PST by laotzu
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To: CharacterCounts
Actually..I'm from Detroit, also. Calm down and put your ego away...and laugh once in a while.
24 posted on 03/15/2004 8:54:31 AM PST by cwb (Kerry: The only person who could make Bill Clinton look like a moderate)
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To: No Blue States
Canadian Conservatives are well aware of the damage Chretien and his liberal stooges have caused and we are working hard to oust them and then will try to rebuild the fences. Many small western Canadian businesses are seeing their American marketplace dry up in the wake of this debacle.

I am pleased that the poll shows the majority of Canadians look favorably on our friendship and that is a big positive. The truth of the matter is that other than Quebec ( which as little in common with the rest of Canada, let alone America)Canadians and Americans are very much alike. Chretien's Anti-American sentiment was a concession to quell Quebec separatiste's. This in turn was a betrayal and tainted the attitude of America toward all Canadians. A sad but I believe repairable situation. We are joined at the hip and further deterioration only serves the terrorists.
25 posted on 03/15/2004 8:56:43 AM PST by albertabound (it's good to beeee Albertabound)
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To: conservativecorner
Afghanistan excepted, of course.
26 posted on 03/15/2004 8:57:52 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: CatoRenasci
...all Canada has done is support the French and oppose the US. And your border security is a very bad joke

No doubt room for improvement. Course from what I glean from FR you have your own border security problems.

Here's what your government has to say about Canadian border security

U.S. State Dept.

21 May 2002
Excerpt: Report Cites Canadian and Mexican Counterterrorism Cooperation
(North America overview of 2001 "Patterns of Global Terrorism") (1080)

Canada and Mexico played important roles in assisting the United States in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks against New York and Washington and continue to collaborate closely with the United States on counterterrorist measures, according to a new State Department report.

Released on May 21, the annual "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report for 2001 outlines support offered by Mexico and Canada following the September 11 attacks and ongoing U.S. anti-terrorism cooperation with its North American neighbors.

The report lauded anti-terrorism cooperation with Canada as a "model of how the U.S. and another nation can work together on terrorism issues" and cited the work of the U.S.-Canadian Bilateral Consultative Group on Counterterrorism Cooperation as exemplary. Continued collaboration between U.S. and Canadian law enforcement officials, as well as cooperative mechanisms led by immigration and customs services, were identified as integral to enhancing security while maintaining efficient cross-border traffic.

Mexico has also taken steps to enhance its counterterrorism efforts and border cooperation with the United States, the report indicates. Mexico has instituted additional visa screening requirements, adopted measures to thwart terrorist financing and is implementing a photo-digitized passport-security system. Additionally, a number of points within the Border Partnership Action Plan also address homeland security issues, including the harmonization of entry port operations, infrastructure protection and electronic information exchange.

The report notes the support of Canada and Mexico in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks and reiterates that media allegations that the terrorists passed through Canada or Mexico to enter the United States were erroneous.

Following is the text of the North America overview portion of the 2001 "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report: (begin text)

North America Overview

"Canadians understand perfectly well that although the attack on September 11 occurred in the United States, it was not directed against only the United States." -- Foreign Minister John Manley, 21 September 2001

Canada

In the immediate wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Canada played an immensely helpful role by accepting the bulk of civil aviation traffic bound for the United States that was diverted when U.S. airspace was ordered closed. Canada provided support for all stranded passengers. Media in the United States and elsewhere erroneously reported that some of the 19 hijackers responsible for crashing the four U.S. commercial airliners had come to the United States via Canada; these allegations were proven false by subsequent investigation.

Overall anti-terrorism cooperation with Canada is excellent, and stands as a model of how the U.S. and another nation can work together on terrorism issues. The relationship is exemplified by the U.S.-Canadian Bilateral Consultative Group on Counterterrorism Cooperation, or BCG, which meets annually to review international terrorist trends and to plan ways to intensify joint counterterrorist efforts. BCG subgroups meet continually to carry out specific projects and exercises. Established in 1988, the BCG builds on a long history of mutual cooperation and complements numerous other bilateral fora that address law enforcement and immigration issues. All of these bilateral mechanisms have continued to grow and improve, especially in the wake of two significant arrests: the December 1999 arrest in Washington State of Usama Bin Ladin associate Ahmed Ressam, and the March 1998 arrest in Canada of Saudi national Hani Al-Sayegh in connection with the Khubar Towers bombing. Under the U.S.-Canada Terrorist Interdiction Program, or TIP, Canada records about one "hit" of known or suspected terrorists per week from the State Department's Visa Lookout List.

Excellent law enforcement cooperation between the U.S. and Canada is essential to protecting our citizens from crime and maintaining the massive flow of legitimate cross-border traffic. Day-to-day cooperation between law enforcement agencies is close and continuous. Seven U.S. law enforcement agencies have officers posted to Ottawa and other Canadian cities. The Attorney General and Canadian Solicitor General conduct policy coordination at the U.S.-Canada Cross-Border Crime Forum, established during the Prime Minister's 1997 visit to Washington. (The Forum met most recently March 6, 2002, in Washington.) Other cooperative mechanisms include groups led by the immigration and customs services known as Border Vision and the Shared Border Accord, extradition and mutual legal assistance treaties, and an information-sharing agreement between the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Continues on to speak of Mexico (end text)

(Distributed by the Office of International Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)

27 posted on 03/15/2004 8:59:22 AM PST by kanawa
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To: albertabound
Your government has done everything in their power to nullify the positive works of your military. You might want to fix that.
28 posted on 03/15/2004 9:01:24 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: kanawa
This does not meet the agenda of many ... and therefore cannot be true.
29 posted on 03/15/2004 9:01:48 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: kanawa
"Here's what your government has to say about Canadian border security"

What do you say?

30 posted on 03/15/2004 9:02:10 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Dead Dog
This we know ... and this we are.
31 posted on 03/15/2004 9:02:39 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45
We elected Clinton twice, and we are paying the consequences. Canada will do the same.
32 posted on 03/15/2004 9:03:22 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
At least for you, he was only there for 8 yrs. : )
33 posted on 03/15/2004 9:04:28 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: albertabound
The State of Texas would be happy to make a gift of Canada to the United States of America.

Then, Canada would have a history of some interest.

34 posted on 03/15/2004 9:04:38 AM PST by laotzu
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To: NorthOf45
BTW, I'm not ripping on Canadians. Most of the Canadians I've met are the salt of the earth. I've only met one loser, and I would have sworn he was from California.
35 posted on 03/15/2004 9:07:24 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: laotzu
I guess you fall into that category that prefers to know nothing about it's northern neighbour. Perhaps we could dig up the bodies of the thousands of Canadians that died fighting for freedom in two world wars,Korea, with U.S forces in Viet Nam, Bosnia and Afghanistan and ask them why they contributed nothing to democracy.
36 posted on 03/15/2004 9:07:25 AM PST by albertabound (it's good to beeee Albertabound)
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To: NorthOf45
He isn't quite gone enough yet.
37 posted on 03/15/2004 9:08:06 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: albertabound
I too was surprised at how high we polled favorably in Canada.

That is good, And I agree that it would serve us both well to have a good relationship.

I hope Conservatives like you vote the other side out of office so that we can mend past damages.

The last thing we need is an enemy on our Northern border.

38 posted on 03/15/2004 9:08:40 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: albertabound; headsonpikes; NorthOf45
Here's the deal, when the chips were down for us Canada turned her back on us.

I'm not talking about military help, I'm talking about your government withholding moral and diplomatic support in the UN.

I'm talking about the polls that showed the Canadian's to be luke-warm at best to the US and the war on terror.

I'm talking about the sniping and outright insults from your government and media.

In short, Canada by her words and deeds has shown herself to be a fiar-weather friend, and that just isn't good enough anymore.

As Victor Davis Hanson writed on his blog today:

What do these two diverse developments have in common? Inasmuch as the Spanish, like the Greeks, do not want any visible relationship with the Americans lest it bring them to the attention of terrorists, and inasmuch as neither country seems to wish the Americans off their shores or to leave an American-led NATO alliance in their hours of crises, we can only conclude that Americans are good for only one thing: providing unquestioned military support and assistance to those who otherwise wish nothing to do with them.

He's writing about Spain and Greece, but if one substitutes "commerce and trade" for "unquestioned military support and assistance" then one summarizes Canada's attitude very succinctly.

39 posted on 03/15/2004 9:10:39 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: cwb
I was just yanking your chain a little about hockey. No ego involved at all. I stil remember the Detroit Dead Wings all to clearly.
40 posted on 03/15/2004 9:10:55 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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