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E-Mail: Attack on U.S. '90 Percent Ready'
Fox News ^ | 03/11/2004 | AP

Posted on 03/12/2004 8:14:36 AM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:39:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CAIRO, Egypt

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuhafsalmasri; alqaeda; alquaeda; jihad; jundalquds; scumbags; terrorism; windsofblackdeath
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To: HitmanNY
What specifically in the political climate in the USA makes you think any of our elected leaders in a position to make those decisions would do as you suggest?


I never said a thing about our leaders being in a position to do anything! I state my opinions to the current discussion only.

BTW this country belongs to the PEOPLE - NOT the "government" ie we ARE the government. Your personal attacks smell like a democrat.
161 posted on 03/16/2004 6:19:12 AM PST by Iron Matron (Civil Disobedience? No. Gay liberals are breaking the law.)
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To: ought-six
Think anything you want. None of the nations you mentioned would go nuclear in response to a limited nuclear attack from terrorists. Who would they attack? You can't bomb a city of innocent people for what a terror group that numbers in the 1,000s does.

I question your perception - I can't see how you would think that any of those civilized nations would bahave that way. It's a violent, posturing fantasy.
162 posted on 03/16/2004 10:02:53 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
"Go ahead...make my day."
163 posted on 03/16/2004 10:05:03 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Iron Matron
I am sorry, then. I did not communicate my position very well. I was speaking in regards to how realistic such a scenario would be. I don't think its realistic in any case like I described - the USA wouldn't use nuclear weapons in response to a limited WMD attack stateside.

I also think this is wise, but that's just my opinion.

You are right about the people but there wouldn't be a national referendum on 'nuking the bad guys.'
164 posted on 03/16/2004 10:16:02 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
Retaliate against the terrorists, sure. Retailiate against Mecca and Medina? The word I used was 'kooky.'

More child-like evasions from you, unsurprisingly. I guess I'll have to be more direct: Do you think our nuking of innocents in Japan and firebombing of innocents in Germany in WW2 was unjustified? These acts were taken with the express purpose of inflicting as many civilian casualties as possible to break the will of the enemy. I happen to believe we did the right thing. And if you happen to agree, then your statement that it's "kooky" to retaliate with nuclear weapons against "innocents" in the birthplace and breeding grounds for Islamic fanaticism - Mecca and Medina - in the event that Islamists set off nuclear devices in U.S. cities is wildly inconsistent, to put it mildly.

Retaliation only against individual terrorists (as is your suggestion) is extremely difficult. (Just ask the Israelis). The only chance we have to successfully fight this kind of enemy is to take it directly to the nations that sponsor and "educate" these nutballs. Thankfully the Bush administration realizes this all too well and that your kind isn't in office (just yet, anyway).

165 posted on 03/16/2004 10:47:55 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: HitmanNY
I do not believe that Nukes are the answer either.

Nukes, and the WILLINGNESS to use them are an excellent deterrent though. If hostile nations threaten us, or attempt to war on our soil, they deserve everything we can throw at them and to heck with collateral damage.

In the fight for survival, tough choices would need to be made.
166 posted on 03/16/2004 11:07:10 AM PST by Iron Matron (Civil Disobedience? It's not just for liberals anymore!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
No evasions. Just the truth. But I will be direct in answering.

No, I think the use of the first nuclear weapon was justified at the end of WW2. the use of the second is more dubious, but I basically defend it.

The firebombing in Germany is aok in my book, also.

The distinction here is that we were at war with those nations at the time. We are not at war with any particular nation in our current situation.

So my support of those acts has nothing to do with the idea that we should not nuke Mecca or Medina in response to a severe terror attack stateside.

The idea is not comperable in the least. We are not now at war with Saudi Arabia. Why in the world would anyone want to nuke them when the people responsible for those attacks are cowering in a cave someplace else?

That just makes no sense, sorry.

There is nothing inconsistent about my position - we are not at war against Saudi Arabia, no matter how much you like to prentend we are.

Maybe we should be, but that's another matter.

You are right - my suggestion is difficult but its the way we are pretty much doing it. Tracing AQ back to host nations and toppling their governments while causing minimal damage to civillians and infrastructure.

A nuke won't accomplish that.

Indeed, the Bush admin is pretty much following the policy I like. Nobody in there would use a nuke against Mecca and Medina, no matter how much you like to pretend they would.

If you really think we would or should use nukes in the kind of situation I outlined, you do need help. There is nothing conservative about that kind of wanton bloodlust, and frankly, I think those of your mindset don't belong in conservative circles.
167 posted on 03/16/2004 11:12:30 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Iron Matron
We are probably of like mind, after all. I agree with what you are saying, but like I said, I don't think anyone expects us to use nuclear weapons in a situation like this.

Talk of nuking Medina and Mecca in retaliation, as some on this thread insist, is just adolescent posturing. I am glad that nobody like that is in power.

The deterrent effect though is waning - the US is (rightly) perceived as a mighty giant who can not use all the force at its disposal. Whether this is good or not we can debate (I think its bad).

Keep the faith.
168 posted on 03/16/2004 11:16:35 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
The distinction here is that we were at war with those nations at the time. We are not at war with any particular nation in our current situation.

Our President has made it very clear that we're at war with all nations that sponsor, finance, and educate terrorists. So if we're nuked by Islamists then the nations I spoke of above are directly responsible for the actions of those terrorists.

As another poster (correctly) mentioned on this thread, do you really think that England, Israel, or Russia would tolerate the nuking of their cities by Islamic fanatics without responding in kind against the very heart of that fanaticism? If so, and as I alluded to, your head is deeply buried in the sand.

I think those of your mindset don't belong in conservative circles.

lol.....Spare us your moral superiority bullsh/t. You're one of the biggest phonies on this board.

169 posted on 03/16/2004 11:35:24 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Cut the hysterics. We are at war against countries that sponsor terrorism. Nuking Medina and Mecca and other cities over the acts of an extreme minority is foolish and childish.

I don't think any of those nations you list would launch powerful nuclear missles to destroy Mecca and Medina in response to a small nuclear hit (1kt or so) at the hands of a terrorist group.

I don't see how anyone would expect them to.

I'm a longtime Freeper and not a phony. I am reluctant to kill millions of innocent people. I am reluctanbt to think the USA would use weapons as you have outlined.

It you think it makes me a phony, that speaks volumes for you. HINT: It isn't flattering.
170 posted on 03/16/2004 11:42:17 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
I'm a longtime Freeper and not a phony.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, obviously.

I am reluctant to kill millions of innocent people.

Although all too willing to do so in the instances I mentioned above (in Japan and Germany in WW2).

We are at war against countries that sponsor terrorism.

Precisely, and that's why the Saudi "holy" cities of Mecca and Medina would be annihilated in the event of a nuclear attack by Islamists on the U.S. As in Germany and Japan in WW2, destroying those cities would have the effect of breaking the will of our enemy. .....And it would probably succeed.

Again, cut the moral superiority crap and start living in the real world.

171 posted on 03/16/2004 11:54:10 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: HitmanNY
I am reluctant to kill millions of innocent people.

Glad we clarified that. Thanks.
172 posted on 03/16/2004 11:57:09 AM PST by Peter J. Huss
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To: Mr. Mojo
I don't need advice about the real world from someone who really thinks we would nuke Mecca and Medina in response to being hit by 2 or 3 small nuclear weapons by a terror group.

That simply, clearly, obviously won't ever happen.

That sure is a strange 'real world' you live in, Double M.
173 posted on 03/16/2004 11:57:38 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Peter J. Huss
It needed clarification in this thread - some folks are too willing to push the nuclear button in the fantasyland between their ears.

Anyone who really thinks like that has problems.
174 posted on 03/16/2004 11:59:03 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
I hope so.

The president must stop telling us that Islam is a religion of peace.

He must identify the enemy which is Islam....and we must destroy it otherwise it will destroy us...... Osama & all the others terrorists are not perverting Islam.......Islam IS PERVERTING THEM!

Islam is evil.....Islam was started by a pedophillic lunatic terrorist who tried to commit suicide.....that's the story of Mohammed.

175 posted on 03/16/2004 12:04:01 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: HitmanNY
OK, Einstein, who do you nuke in response? A major muslim city? A holy site? So kill millions of innocent people over the murder of our innocent people? Ruin one of their holy sites over what an admittedly small minority of their culture did? What does that accomplish?

REVENGE, and makes the rest of the muslim world fear us and stick their turbaned heads in the sand hoping the juggernaut will spare their lives.

176 posted on 03/16/2004 12:53:31 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: HitmanNY
Seek professional help. Your position is thankfully in the most microscopic minority.

Not nearly as much as you think Hitman. He'd have to take a number to push those buttons. Nearly every one of my friends feels the same way.

The reaction here to a second 9/11 style attack here in Texas will be swift, bloody and vengeful.

177 posted on 03/16/2004 1:03:23 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: HitmanNY
Seek professional help. Your position is thankfully in the most microscopic minority.

Not nearly as much as you think Hitman. He'd have to take a number to push those buttons. Nearly every one of my friends feels the same way.

The reaction here to a second 9/11 style attack here in Texas will be swift, bloody and vengeful.

178 posted on 03/16/2004 1:03:28 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
I.... really doubt it.

We've been getting warnings like this for years, and nothing has happened.

I PERSONALLY believe Osama Bin Laden has been dead since December 2001, and that he's buried somewhere.
179 posted on 03/16/2004 1:05:56 PM PST by JTG
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To: Centurion2000
I am not against force being used in retaliation. I firmly support it. The issue here is 'going nuclear,' which I maintain would not happen in the circumstances I outlined.

If anyone really thinks we would nuke Medina and Mecca, they are just not being very realistic.
180 posted on 03/16/2004 1:08:56 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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