DEMAND an investigation into the Dem-Planted, Phoney 9/11 "outrage" story! (but be nice!)

FR ^ | 3-8-04

[GailA]

I've used store brands for years, saves me at least $20 weekly.

[Dante3]

bttt

[jwalburg]

Us, too. My husband loves Heinz ketchup, but no more in our house for a while.

[jwalburg]

Don't listen to the nay sayers. This kind of pressure on media companies is the only thing that works. I know. I was once on an editorial board. They hated having to take negative calls. It might only only budge them a little at first, but it pays off if you don't relent. That's how liberals have gotten so far.

[section9]

Don't listen to the nay sayers. This kind of pressure on media companies is the only thing that works. I know. I was once on an editorial board. They hated having to take negative calls. It might only only budge them a little at first, but it pays off if you don't relent. That's how liberals have gotten so far.

Actually, liberals have gotten as far as they have by controlling the high ground of the university and, over time, the media.

I know a lot of you came on here and upbraided me for my post. I understand that. You like to believe you have influence with the media. You don't. In a few weeks, this will be forgotten.

How many Americans remember the "Rats" story from 2000? We do. We're committed people. Most people don't, however. Most folks hear about "scandals" like this in passing. So, when they're told that September 11th "families" object to Bush campaign commercials, they believe that Bush has done something bad. Why? Well, if all one is hearing is anecdotal stories about how the heartless Bush people have opened a wound in the hearts of innocent, grieving September 11th widows, then it is going to hurt Bush.

Which was precisely the idea. It didn't drive Bush's commercials off the air, simply because Bush and Rove understood that this was a game of "who's got the biggest pair" with the Kerry people.

But no one will care about the Tides outfit, or Teresa HK's connexion with Tides and the "Families for Peace". That's all process. That doesn't make a compelling storyline. Nobody cares in the larger community about who stabbed who in the rhetorical back. A bunch of Republicans claiming that the Press was Unfair doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the reading public. Those are Dog Bites Man stories, and the propagandists who write and edit our news know it.

Grieving families make a compelling tale. Outraged Republicans? Nobody cares.

I already have empirical proof that my assertion is correct. Let us look at the latest question, conveniently asked of respondents by those sterling characters at GALLUPCNNUSATODAY. The money quote, from the last four paragraphs of the Kerry poll story:

Poll respondents were also asked whether they thought it was appropriate for the Bush-Cheney campaign to use images from the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in its campaign ads.

Fifty-four percent said it was inappropriate and 42 percent said it was appropriate.

Among voters who had actually seen the ads, 48 percent thought the images were appropriate, compared to 51 percent who said they were inappropriate, with a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

The polling in the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup sample began last Friday, the day after the Bush campaign launched its first ad salvo of the campaign, and continued over the weekend.

You see, we know that it was appropriate. We understand that September 11th and its aftermath was the central event of the Bush presidency. The Kerry people are afraid of Bush's ability to recall that event, however, so they wanted to damage Bush and his campaign in the eyes of the American people. To a certain extent, they succeeded.

You folks believe that you can appeal to the sense of responsibility and fair play of the media in this endeavor. This is a fool's errand. The media would be interested in fair play if they were only interested in reporting the news! They are not. They are interested in propagating a simple storyline that leaves the impression with the American people that John Kerry is a reasonable man of high character while George Bush is a craven bumbler who makes negative attacks and shamelessly wraps himself in the flags that lay on the caskets of firefighters.

You know: Bush Lied, They Died....

When you understand that most modern American reporters are mere propagandists, most of whom operate as propagandists without really knowing that they do (recalling the difference with Goebbels again...), you will understand just how far we have to go. Think of reporters as members of the Democratic Party's base vote. That's all you really need to understand.

By the way, if you don't believe me, you'd best be ready for the next press meme. Out of nowhere, seemingly, came this Kerry speech, enunciated yesterday when Honest John was on a campaign swing through the South:

Kerry Says Bush 'Stonewalling' 9/11 Probe

I will say to you right now that Kerry has given the signal what the next meme will be. I can also guarantee that certain editors and reporters are probably coordinating with the Kerry people and the DNC the timing of the next "scandal du jour", which will have the theme: "Bush is trying to Hide Something, otherwise he would Testify in Public". A simple separation of powers issue will be transformed into a scandal. Within a week, I will bet that the New York Times editorial page will be in high dudgeon over this.

The entire negative campaign of the Democratic Party revolves around the phrase drummed into the American people's conciousness last year: "Bush Lied, They Died!" A simple lie, but an effective one. Told over and over again until it is grafted onto the national self-concious like a poorly done facelift. Don't tell me that Democrats haven't read Goebbels.

Meanwhile, Doug, God bless him, and others are trying to convince the media that they need to be fair about something that happened in the last news cycle. Kerry has moved on, and so has a pliant media.

Get a clue before it's too late: you are not dealing with the "press". You are dealing with the Ministry of Truth.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[maxwellp]

We'll stop eating before we'll support Heinz products! But many thanks for the information - we will watch most carefully.

[jmstein7]

BUMP! Keep it up!

[mcenedo]

bump for the good work!

Is retrace@nytimes.com still soliticing emails where readers suspect there may be some shortcomings is the Slimes propaganda?

[jwalburg]

I've not yet seen an instance where complacency and defeatism ever helped a cause.

[section9]

I've not yet seen an instance where complacency and defeatism ever helped a cause.

That's not my argument. My proposition is that we must find a way to bypass the media filter and take our message directly to the people. My argument rests on the assumption that the media will always spin or lie their way into reporting in favor of the liberal Democrat. They like John Kerry because they believe John Kerry to be Just Like Them. And do you know what? He is just like them.

The press is a propaganda ministry, pure and simple. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will discover other ways to get the conservative message across.

Have there been any major investigations of Kerry's peddling of the AWOL meme, yet? Other than in the conservative opinion press, no. Have there been any major investigations of the Kerry campaign's use of 9-11 families to stoke anger against the Bush campiagn. Don't hold your breath.

The press does not investigate itself. Nor will it expose its own collusion with the DNC. Period. End of story. Outraged pieces by conservative writers in the Washington Times don't count.

On to the next news cycle: "Bush Lied; They Died"

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[dirtboy]

I think both approaches are needed. It's true we'll never be able to get the mainstream media to tell the conservative side of the story, and it's up to us to develop alternative media channels to get out our message. But we can also make it as difficult as possible for the media and the Dems to get away with their lies. Krugman Watch is a prime example - they keep Krugman in a constant flustered state. So we need to keep up the pressure when we think the Dems are sending out their talking points.

[FReethesheeples]

Nasty John the French Undertaker, who is behind the atatacks on GWB's 9/11 ad, per the American Spectator.

Kerry, who is personally endorsed by Hait's Aristide, Iran's Mullahs, Kim Jong Il, (& Kim Il Jong), Mugabe, Marxit thug Chavez of Venezuela, Castro of Cuba, & France's Jacques Chirac, is a weapon of mass economic destruction.

He'll destroy the troops in Iraq, the War on Terrorism,

& the U.S. stock market with all his negative talk and whiny-leftist-liberal sour-puss troop-bashing, Bush-bashing, America-bashing talk & self-aggrandizing, ultra-negative sourpuss whiny elitist personality.

[Peach]

Definitely.

Read an article on the forum this morning called (Mrs.) Kerry's Cash.

Her group, Peaceful Tomorrow, also protested the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban!!!

These people would ruin our country.

[StriperSniper]

Often, a good inspection of the packaging will give you a clue. I think it has to do with the production lines. It is easy to slap a different label on a bottle, but harder for a machine to accept a different size or shape. Also I have noticed a few that 'hint'(with named comparisons on the label!) at who makes it.

Also sometimes the ingredient list can help. Compare two name brands of a product, find the differences, then check the store brand for which one it is, sometimes it works.

[Cboldt]

The press does not investigate itself.

Not critically. Not for deceptive reporting. MRC analyses do not form public opinion.

I agree with your conclusions, that the media is an effective agitprop operation, and that it is unrealistic to expect it to expose itself as such.

With respect to this election cycle, Bush will wage a winning campaign. At the moment, Kerry is the target, but I have my doubts that Kerry has the wherewithall to carry his baggage that far. But in December 2004, we will still have the same media, beating its drum with the same object -- to condition the population to accept radical social revisions.

[jackbill]

That was probably the Editorial in today's New York Post:

"(Mrs.) Kerry's Cash Connection" at:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20231.htm

It's great!

[EQAndyBuzz]

"Get a clue before it's too late: you are not dealing with the "press". You are dealing with the Ministry of Truth"

Wrong = Right
Lies = Truth

"1984" has been here for many years. "Animal Farm" lives in America today. The so called "progressives" are working hard, day and night to see that our society, the only truly Democratic society is destroyed.

Socialism lives folks. Until someone steps out of the shadows and accuses Kerry and his ilk of being socialist, until someone steps out of the shadows and accuses the media of being socialist, until someone steps out of the shadows and accuses universities of promoting socialism, we will have the same crap to deal with. Our courts are packed with socialist jurists who see that the socialism movement in this country is moved forward.

We are losing this fight. Corporations only care about money and the socialists do not care because they will tax companies more, until companies pick up and leave, leaving a wake of unemployment and the need for more government assistance.

I am really pissed off with all of this. I can feel the chokehold being placed around my neck. I know that many of you share the same feeling. The feeling of helplessness in that our elected officials get overwritten by socialist judges.

What really bothers me though is that we can win. But we need money and resources and knowledge to overcome this. The way we do this is really simple.

1. National newspaper like USA Today. Claim it as a conservative paper that preaches conservative values and is to be used as an alternative reading source.

2. More stations like Fox news. Another family channel that shows TV shows of wholesome value.

3. Massive boycotts of products that support socialist values. Heinz is definitely a good start. Boycott the music industry, movies, Network TV.

4. Fairness in education. Ask your representatives to pull government funding from colleges that do not support equal protections for all students. Create a litmus test.

5. Ask your representatives to pull NPR and PBS from the air. The Ministry of Truth needs to be ripped out.

Sorry for my rant. But I am ready to move my family to Aruba and retire. We need 60 senators that have the courage to stand up for what America was founded on. We need representation that actually means something.

[Peach]

That's the one, thanks for posting the link.

The group is even worse than originally reported. Amazing that a presidential candidates wife supports an organization like this that condemns the sitting president and the mainstream press has been primarily quiet.

[clyde260]

Whoa there cowboy! I understand your sense of futility, I think most of us feel that. BUT, to follow your advice is to unconditionally surrender.

No-no-no-no-no-No-NO!!!!

WE keep the pressure on,
WE keep hammering away,
WE keep reminding the media of their hypocracy,
WE are relentless in our search for truth, justice, and democracy!

And WE seem to be doing a DAMN Good Job!
Everytime they try one of their trickety tricks, WE get to the bottom, do the investigating, and exposing!

Don't you think it funny that everytime the Rats pull a trick, WE are on it in a flash, and what WE do winds up on Rush, Sean, Drudge.... sometimes making it's way to lamestream.

Don't you think that makes a difference?????

I do.

Ahhhhh, I feel much better now, coffee anyone?

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

In the candy business, we called the product re-bags. The candy was made on the same production machinery and with the same raw materials as the name brand, but packaged and labeled under the off brand name.
My first question was why would a name brand sell to the "competition" and was enlightened by the answer. It seems that the name brand sells the relabeled product under a major contract to the off brand. With the name brand product, they have to rely on vendors, consignments, and on future sales projections. Basically unknown dollar amounts. With the off brand production, they have a definite contract with set dollar amounts. This becomes an asset to the company.

Not saying that Heinz does it, but if they did produce off brands it would show up on the shelves in bottles different from their own.