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EX-HUBBY SAW FALL COMING (Martha)
New York Post ^ | 3/08/04 | JOHN LEHMANN

Posted on 03/08/2004 3:23:09 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:19:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

March 8, 2004 -- Martha Stewart's ex-husband, Andy Stewart, feared the princess of perfection's long-held habit of telling whoppers would one day trigger her downfall, a former business partner told The Post yesterday. Norma Collier, who was Martha Stewart's first business partner when they started a catering business in Connecticut in 1974, said yesterday that Stewart's self-made disaster was "very sad" - and almost inevitable.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: marthastewart
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To: Howlin
"...I would have done the RIGHT THING....and taken the loss..."

And that potential loss would not have to be a complete disaster. An immediate call to the SEC would put you in line for a bounty which would compensate you (in whole or part) out of the proceeds of any dollar penalties imposed. Your complaint would almost certainly initiate a preliminary investigation and, if the subject of that investigation were prosectued and convicted, you might even be able to recover more in litigation against him. It was he who put you in the position of having to either join him in criminal conspiracy or lose your ability to freely trade your shares. In doing all this, you would not only be protecting your own interests as an investor but striking a blow for market viability and investor confidence in general.

161 posted on 03/08/2004 2:51:47 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: angkor
Imelda Marcos

Leona Helmsley

Martha Stewart


...and Lizzie Gruber.
162 posted on 03/08/2004 2:55:25 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: antonia
"WoW! What a great idea! Martha Stewart could transform the prison ~ transform the prison system."

I agree. Let's give her all the time she needs to do that.

163 posted on 03/08/2004 2:59:28 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: SarahW
You just don't understand anything at all about this.

While murder and ANY white collar crime, is not equivalent,they are still crimes.

Because of what Martha was involved in( insider trading, falsifying/tampering with evidence,lying, etc.) some people have lost a great deal of money. An investor, with enough A stock,that he now sits on her board and has a hand in running her company now,has lost 1/3 of his investment... EIGHTEEN MILLION DOLLARS, as of last Friday. The " little people " who have her stock have lost a lot of their money too, as have those who sold ImClone, AFTER her stock dump and Waksal's dump. It is only within the last few months, when the FDA approved the ImClone drug, that ImClone's stock has risen.

Facts matter..........learn some.

164 posted on 03/08/2004 2:59:56 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Miss Marple
Remember, before the trial she was offered a chance to plead guilty and pay a fine. She refused. This is her fault, not the government's.

No it's the government's fault for prosecuting such a senseless 'crime'. Stewart didn't do anything a normal person would have done in that case. Yes, admittedly she probably covered it up but she doesn't deserve jail time for it.

165 posted on 03/08/2004 3:04:07 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: SarahW
She wasn't convicted of insider trading. They couldn't even get that charge to a jury. Assuming the worst was true, her acting on her brokers tip isn't insider trading.

She isn't out of the woods on insider trading yet. There is a civil suit by the SEC on that very charge that remains active. See post #102.

166 posted on 03/08/2004 3:07:13 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: SarahW
"Probation is not the same as a suspended sentence."

It most certainly is a suspended sentence. It is the suspension of a sentence (in whole or part) conditional to compliant behavior under a probation officer's supervision. IOW, the prison sentence is held in abeyance, just like any other type of sentence suspension.

167 posted on 03/08/2004 3:10:20 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: SarahW
What are you thinking? She is NOT going to get a suspended sentence!
168 posted on 03/08/2004 3:14:04 PM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: SarahW
If I were the pensioner, I'd probably be pretty happy, because the stock has gone up.

Sarah, I know you're smarter than this: what MARTHA did has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Imclone.

Do you even know the facts of this case?

169 posted on 03/08/2004 3:15:00 PM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: SarahW
And yes, she does, the judge has the *discretion*, if not the inclination or reason, to give Martha probation.

You are dead wrong. Not under federal guidelines. I've already told you once that the ten months IS factoring in any positive things on Martha's side.

Whichever it is, the judge will NOT give a person who has been convicted on four counts -- FELONIES -- probation OR a suspended sentence.

As for this remarks:

Assuming the worst was true, her acting on her brokers tip isn't insider trading.

you might want to call the SEC and inform them of your much more enlightened knowledge than they have; they have filed a suit against her and will be interested in knowing they are wrong.

170 posted on 03/08/2004 3:18:35 PM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: billbears
Good to see you standing by your moral principles and advocating situational ethics.
171 posted on 03/08/2004 3:20:15 PM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: petitfour
Helpful hint, Martha never told anyone.........

For burnt on/scorched foods,fill pan or pot 1/3 to 1/2 with water and some liquid detergent, place on high flame and bring to boil, for a bit,turning down the flame a tad, after rapid boiling begins. Then scrub with an SOS pad.

If all else fails, but Dawn's new stuff ( I forget what it's called right now ),in the blue spray bottle.It works wonders on oil scorch marks too.

172 posted on 03/08/2004 3:20:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Bonaparte
I am at a loss about why some of these people, despite being told the facts of this case and the law, are still on here posting misinformation!
173 posted on 03/08/2004 3:20:59 PM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: SarahW
THE SEC IS NOW BRINGING A CIVIL SUIT AGAINST MARTHA, FOR INSIDER TRADING !
174 posted on 03/08/2004 3:22:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
*Sigh*
175 posted on 03/08/2004 3:23:18 PM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: SarahW
"She had a perfect right to sell the stock. Just not to lie about her broker calling her."

Stewart was a stock broker for 20 years. She also held a seat on the NYSE at the time she sold her ImClone.

If there was nothing illegal about that trade, why did she try to alter Bacanovic's email to her? Why did she repeatedly lie to investigators? Why did she hire a defense team before she was even accused of anything or even identified as more than just a witness?

Before you say that she believed she was going to be the object of an unwarranted SEC witch hunt, go to court tv and read the specifications for each count she was charged and convicted on. The jury did. And they took very little time to convict her on all counts, including conspiracy.

BTW, do you there is no specific criminal charge called "insider trading"? Those who illegally trade inside are formally charged with things like securities fraud, conspiracy and the like.

176 posted on 03/08/2004 3:24:05 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: cyborg
That they are and yet,FR's Southern rationalists, contin ue to trash Northerners and especially New Yorkers ALL the time. Go figure?
177 posted on 03/08/2004 3:25:54 PM PST by nopardons
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To: billbears
Oh really? But " normal " people would NEVER have been given an " insider " tip and though I usually view people harshly, I doubt that most would commit criminal acts, given the chance to.

But, coming from YOU, especially, what part of no force and fraud libertarianism, makes it okay to commit FRAUD now? :-)

178 posted on 03/08/2004 3:31:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin
I know,I know...........CINOS, spewing factless, emotiona,l codswallop, is destroying FR! :-(
179 posted on 03/08/2004 3:33:07 PM PST by nopardons
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To: SarahW
Assuming the worst was true, her acting on her brokers tip isn't insider trading.

Absolutely incorrect.

If she knew the broker had insider information it was insider trading (she did).

The difference between insider trading and trading on a rumor is that you know the information comes from someone connected. Such as this case. It is difficult to prove.

IMHO She committed insider trading, but getting a conviction would be tough.

180 posted on 03/08/2004 3:33:26 PM PST by Dinsdale
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