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To: Theo

There is some discussion as to what these animals were eating (tropical plants, or regular plants), and how quickly they froze (very suddenly, or more slowly). Here are a couple of paragraphs from http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-128.htm : 

The bones of thousands of animals have, in fact, been found frozen in the tundra of Siberia. Hippopotamuses, sabertooth tigers, mammoths, and other animals normally associated with the tropics have been found frozen, some in relatively fresh condition in the frozen Siberian muck. This muck is full of plant and animal remains to depths of several thousand feet.

The presence of fresh tropical plants and flowers in the stomachs of certain frozen Siberian mammoths indicates the temperature drop in some locations occurred suddenly. The fact that some of the mammoths were frozen in the muck and were found relatively fresh, indicates that the temperature drop was extreme and permanent. Such a scenario matches the predictions of the vapor canopy model very well.

I'm not an expert on this topic, but do find it fascinating. I'm not "settled" in what I believe about these animals, and will continue to read up on them.

Additional Reading:

Woolly Mammoths Remains: Catastrophic Origins?

A little research might help.  TalkOrigins.org has a lot of information on this particular subject.  You might not like them and think they are nothing but an "evolutionist" site, but they do document everything they post, and much of their documentation refers to original, published research, not speculation or quote mining.

For instance, with regard to how quickly the animals in question were frozen:

The reports of frozen mammoths with well-preserved flesh are greatly exaggerated. The Berezovka mammoth, perhaps the most famous example, was rather putrified; the excavators found its stench unbearable. It must have taken several days to freeze, since scavengers were able to mutilate it before it froze, and the flesh showed "deep penetrating chemical alterations as the result of very slow decay." [Weber 1980]

The food found with the mammoths were arctic species. That some was found in their mouths doesn't show that they died quickly; it merely shows they didn't brush their teeth between meals.

It goes on further:

Frozen mammoths are not common. As of 1961, only 39 have been found with some flesh preserved, and only four of those were more or less intact [Farrand 1961, cited by Weber 1980].

Furthermore, we find no frozen animals in Siberia except mammoths and wooly rhinoceri. We would expect such large animals selectively to succumb to falls and morasses. A catastrophic cause of death would be expected to preserve many other species as well.

So, no, there haven't been "thousands of animals" found frozen in Siberia, but only a relative handful, and these relegated to mammoths and wooly rhinos.

 


 

 

76 posted on 03/08/2004 7:05:21 AM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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To: Junior
As you point out, different researchers have different "takes" on what's up there. Experts from your site (who document what they report) say one thing, while experts from the site I cited (who document what they report) say something different. Other sources report various findings and conclusions. That's why I ended my post saying that I'm interested in reading up more on this subject.

Speaking of which, have you seen this article: Antarctica 'Lost World' Found ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092606/posts ) ? Interesting stuff.
77 posted on 03/09/2004 6:12:08 AM PST by Theo
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