THANK YOU.
Posted on 03/06/2004 9:06:29 AM PST by sauropod
Sorry, not to question your motives or patriotism, intent, or deeply held beliefs;
But that statement sounds an AWFUL lot like what we heard in '68 and thereabouts...
"Oh, I'd fight Hitler alright, but not a bunch of Asian agrarian reformers....etc.
It don't wash.
Well that sums it all up - YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW SOME OF US FEEL ABOUT THIS SUDDEN RUSH OF PATRIOTISM. It doesn't matter who you know, or where you did your service at - YOU STILL DIDN'T get ordered to some sh*thole to fight for those who shunned you after you came home. I am not being arrogant, just honest and if you cannot appreciate it for what it is, then just shut up and open your ears for once. You must've not been around during the late 60's and early 70's. Either that or you were just off in some little cosmic egg of your own making. As far as your work goes, I worked on weapons systems for 20 years, and they have a 85% works as advertised rate. So that isn't too bad. But you still don't get the bigger picture ... its about those who still put down the military. So if I pissed on your parade, sorry bout that, but thats life. Like I've been told "Get over it."
Tell that to the men that founded this nation. 'Moral' wars of spreading 'democracy' wouldn't wash in their eyes
Hey stupid! You can be as patriotic as you wish, just don't be downing others for their beliefs unless you have legitimate proof. My father and grandfather served in WW2, and I have a Great Uncle who served in WW1. Sometimes it means having to go off and fight for something, an ideal, that allows us to live as we do. You haven't, because you don't feel that there is any validity to what the government said. Okay! Your choice. But don't put the others down who support the President, I have been over there and feel he did the right thing.
You wouldn't know sycophancy and tyranny if it slapped you upside the head. You sound like a sycophant of the left, one of those little lemmings who all blindy follow the "peace" thing. But its you lot who haven't paid attention to history. You cold and shallow people who cannot win because you are afraid to risk. But you are the first to open your big fat mouths when others have to go off and do it for you. Just remember this boyo, what your father, and grandfather did counts only for their generation, what have you given for your freedom lately?
I don't know about that. Seems Madison and Jefferson had little problems with the idea when they were President.
Think of it as an updated version of their Manifest Destiny.
wrt your earlier post, your attitude was basically "thanks but no thanks" to patriots.
This is not some "sudden rush" of patriotism. Generally, people on FR have tremendous respect for those who served in active duty. I include myself in that number.
Some of us here have, in defending guys like you publically, had stuff thrown at us (bottles, various pieces of oranges, etc., threatened with arrest (a USSS White House security person did this during the reign of His Slickness), physically threatened by the ANSWER pukes, etc. During the reign of His Slickness, Don and Teri Adams were beaten up by Teamster union goons because they were insisting on the rule of law. Some hellholes were right here in THIS country.
Just because you may have served in the military does not give you the right to p*ss on what the rest of us are doing. If you want to go polish your halo, go ahead, but don't expect me to be there to help you, not with your attitude.
Interesting how quickly your hypocrisy can be revealed. First from accusations of "chickenhawk" now to what, "ever ready military man"? What's amusing to me is that you, as a member of the militia, were expected to be the defense against me, a member of the standing army, should it be necessary. Forgive my smirk.
Our founders would be aghast at even your standing military presence.
Actually, they would be aghast at your ignorance after writing so elequently about it in Federalist No. 8, 24-28, particularly 29 and Anti-Federalist 24 and 25.
Personally, I think Hamilton would be quite pleased.
There you go again - being ignorant. I am not pissing on what you are trying to do, just grounding you in reality! You seem to think that I am out trying to make myself out to be the real patriot or something. Well, I did what I did because I grew up as a part of the President Kennedy generation - "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." I did it out of a sense of duty - "Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." -R.E. LEE
But you should remember that there are many who served during the time when it was not popular, and who were spat upon and reviled by the more "enlightened" (sarcasm) college students, and some of the WW2 generation (they came home heroes and not the villains), and we are not so willing to just blindly accept all the adulation. You see, you have never felt betrayed by the country you fought to protect. We were the scapegoats for failed governmental policies and the loss of a war. Now you expect us just to blindly accept all this praise as genuine. Well it may be, but you are the one who needs to have the reality check and understand where we are coming from. We (myself and too many others) have seen too many supposed "good deals" turn bad when adversity sets in. We watched as our fellow American citizens treated us like unwanted ba*tard step-children. No sir, we were good enough to serve, but not good enough to be integrated back into American society as acceptable citizens. Our stories?! No one cared enough to listen, so we stopped trying to tell them. We came back to "no banners and no bands". We arrived home to derision and disgrace for serving honorably. Didn't matter whether you were in combat or not, if you wore a uniform, you were a pariah. And it took years for it to die down, but every once in a while it rears its ugly head. As far as the stuff you've had thrown at you for "defending us" - welcome to my world! Think how you felt about those, then magnify that 10 fold and just perhaps you will get a glimpse of how we feel.
As far as polishing my halo, heh-heh-heh sonny, I don't have one. So obviously I don't need any help polishing what I don't have.
As Doc Holiday said to the Marshal in "Tombstone" - "Forgive me if I don't shake hands."
Burkeman1, I see that you think that you have great insight, but you sure blew this one!!!
optimistically_conservative, thank you for your service and as a member of the militia, I have my eye on you!
;<)
I keep that in mind and try not to let you down!
People like him live in a carefully cultivated state of denial that a real necessity for armed violence is even possible.
If he ever really woke up, the shock would probably kill him.
THANK YOU.
Thank GOD we have people like you, oh8eleven, and not so many like Burleman1. Can you imagine what would happen if war came to our shores and we had to depend on people like Burkeman1 to defend the homeland and the women and children? For me, it is too scary to imagine. Who does he want to defend his wife and child should terror coming knocking at his door? Will he? Or is he going to hope there are a "few good men" left to come do it for him?
Thank you for your courage to do those things which others refuse to do.
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