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Kerry’s VP List
CBSNews ^ | 3/2/04 | Dick Meyer

Posted on 03/02/2004 8:35:09 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

When you’ve doused the Howard Dean fire, made mincemeat of Dick Gephardt, Wes Clark, and Joe Lieberman, and whopped handsome John Edwards week after week, you’ve earned the honor of having parlor politicians pontificate on whom you should pick for vice president. I intend to pay homage to John Kerry in this traditional manner.

Most election numbers-crunchers expect the basic dynamics of the electoral vote map this year to be very similar to 2000. There is no sign yet the country isn’t just as closely divided as it was four years ago. President Bush did break an iron law of modern election cycles by leading his party to congressional gains in the 2002 elections. Still, it appears that the states that were close in 2000 will be close in 2004.

If you buy that, the big targets for the Democratic nominee are Florida, of course, and Ohio, a state with 20 electoral votes that Gore lost by just 3.5 percentage points. Unfortunately, for the Democrats, Ohio is currently devoid of Democratic stars and Florida is not much better off. The other hot spots from Bush’s 2000 column are Tennessee, New Hampshire and Missouri.

The states Democrats will have to guard most carefully from Republican poaching are New Mexico, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

So the map points more to a Rust Belt guy than a Sun Belt dude. But the map – I know, I know – is just one factor, an old-fashioned one at that.

Clinton ignored the map and picked a mirror. Bush ignored the map and picked a mentor. Bush the Elder ignored the map and proved he has a sense of humor.

So Kerry can come at this decision from many angles. A rough draft of a first-cut list would look something like this:

The Favorite

John Edwards: You’ve heard all the arguments for this Dream Team, so I won’t bore you. I’ll just briefly add two pros and two cons.

Pro: Edwards seems to do very well with women and quite respectably in the Midwest.

Con: Despite his humble origins, he too is a zillionaire who lives in a mansion one block from the Kerry-Heinz Georgetown manse.

And I would also proffer this passage from the Feb. 12 Boston Globe, Kerry’s hometown paper: “Several Kerry advisers say the Massachusetts senator is skeptical about Edwards's strength as a running mate, saying he appears to lack the clout with Southern voters that he often brags about being able to deliver… Kerry is also said to be unconvinced that Edwards is experienced enough to step in as a wartime president should something happen to him. National security credentials are the most important assets that the Democratic presidential front-runner would use to choose a running mate, these aides said.” Several other stories have since alleged that John K. doesn't like John E.

Most Mentioned

Wesley Clark: He looks good on paper as a VP, just like he did last summer as a P. But the four-star resume didn’t get him many votes, what’s to say it would do any better in the big game?

Dick Gephardt: Missouri is an important state and so is neighboring Iowa – oops, Gephardt got creamed in Iowa. Still, there aren’t that many Democrats with high national name recognition who you can dress up and take to a debate. Gephardt is that.

Gov. Bill Richardson, New Mexico: Would help in super tight New Mexico with its five whole electoral votes. He would theoretically help nationally with the Hispanic vote, not a traditional source of weakness for Democrats. He does have national security credentials. But I don’t think the focus group gang would let him go further than the “mentioned” list.

Bob Graham One word: Florida. One phrase: Against the war from the start. He’s a huge vote-getter in Florida with expertise on intelligence issues. His presidential campaign was perceived, sorry to say, as a joke. I think you can make a strong argument that Graham is an excellent choice.

Former Sen. Sam Nunn, Georgia: Nunn has all the tickets except he’s a bore as a campaigner. He’s the most hawkish Democrat around and a credible critic of the war. He has the gravitas Kerry is said to want and which voters seem to want too. He’s a Southerner if you think that’s a virtue. Party advocates for women’s and gay issues might go bats—t over Nunn though; not “might” - they would, actually. Maybe that helps. Nunn also has a history of flirting and then saying thanks, but no thanks.

Sensible Shoes

Sen. Evan Bayh, Indiana: Young, handsome, fresh – he’s a former governor who has been through several campaigns. He’s a Midwestern John Edwards, who hasn’t played the big houses yet. Does he help in neighboring Ohio – or Michigan, Missouri or Tennessee? Does he look good in a debate with Cheney? Some Democrats would like to see a young comer on the ticket, just in case things don’t work out this year and there aren’t many.

Gov. Tom Vilsack, Iowa: He’s more widely known than most governors because of the caucuses, but this is not a household name. Iowa’s an important state but it has only seven electoral votes. There’s no “wartime” heft with Vilsack and no clear image statement either.

Fun Bunch

Hillary Clinton: What could be more fun?

Bill Bradley: This would be sort of like Bob Dole picking Jack Kemp in ’96, which didn’t work out real well. But there just aren’t many Democrats that a bunch of guys at a Cleveland Indians game could all name quickly, and Bradley is one of them.

Ted Kennedy: Sort of like Clinton-Gore, you hit the enemy with a blatant double-whammy. I think it’s a gutsy, ‘I am who I am, Bub’ kind of move. And Kerry without Kennedy is like Abbott without Costello, Andy without Barney, Jerry without George. Until Kennedy gave Kerry his staff and hit the stump with him, he was floundering. Of course, Kennedy would have to move because the Constitution doesn’t allow the president and the vice president to come from the same state. Rats. He's not really on any lists.

Honorable Mentions, Barely

A few other names will pop up in articles here and there, especially in hometown papers. Two women governors from the West are favorites: Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Kathy Sebelius of Kansas. Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia will probably be high on the list, in four or eight years. The importance of Florida puts Sen. Bill Nelson on some lists and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell's name pops up occasionally. Another former senator from Georgia, Max Cleland, has appeared on a few lists. So has Robert Rubin, Clinton’s Treasury Secretary. And Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle’s name is bound to pop up at some point.

And if there is a god of political fun, the actual nominee isn’t on this list.


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To: Dan from Michigan; Cultural Jihad; Young Rhino; paul51; jpf; Wissa; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
I agree -- it's gonna be Max Cleland. I predicted this earlier tonight at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1089521/posts (see posts 7 & 21):

Why all the Kerry-promoting quotes from "former Senator Max Cleland" lately? He will be Kerry's VP candidate. Just picture it. A pair of wounded "war heroes" to attack the "wartime president." Don't forget -- you heard it here first.

It would be a bigger headline-getter and buzz-generator than Lieberman in 2000... nearly as much buzz as "first black candidate" or "first woman presidential candidate." All other issues would be sidelined for weeks.

Feb. 12 Boston Globe: “National security credentials are the most important assets that the Democratic presidential front-runner would use to choose a running mate, these [Kerry] aides said.”

21 posted on 03/02/2004 9:35:26 PM PST by AB AB AB (how do I do this, exactly?)
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To: Fellow Traveler
John Breaux would deliver Louisiana and perhaps the election.
22 posted on 03/02/2004 9:42:01 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
That font is torture!

I don't know what it said, but Kerry will select Edwards (who's been making googly-eyes at him for months now) to try to pick up some southern states.

He won't pick up any. The Cheney/Edwards debates will be studied for decades, basically negating the ability of boyish looking smarmy humps to get on a ticket for generations.

They'll split the top 4 states, with Kerry/Edwards winning California and NY. Bush/Cheney wins Texas and Florida, so that's a wash.

Overall, Bush/Cheney wins 32 or 33 states, and a fairly easy reelection.

I've never been wrong about anything ever, so you can all relax.

23 posted on 03/02/2004 9:43:40 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: null and void
VP Hillary!™ Clinton. Think of it:

Damn, that's scary...

24 posted on 03/02/2004 9:44:09 PM PST by CommandoFrank (If GW is the terrorist's worst nightmare, Kerry is their wet dream...)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Kerry is also said to be unconvinced that Edwards is experienced enough to step in as a wartime president should something happen to him.

As if Kerry gives a crap.

If he really cared, Kerry would realize that Kerry is not able to function as a wartime president should nothing happen to him.

25 posted on 03/02/2004 9:47:58 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: AB AB AB
it's gonna be Max Cleland.

I'd see Kerry promising Sec. of Defense slot to Max "I'm so stupid that I pick up grenades" Cleland. Cleland couldn't carry any of the states in the south.

N.M., on the other hand, barely went Dimwit. A Richardson "Juan Valdez" selection picks up hispanic votes in Florida and alot of southwestern states. Combine this with voter fraud, and a Richardson pick means 2-3 states gained in '04 that Bush carried in '00.

26 posted on 03/02/2004 9:49:06 PM PST by Young Rhino (http://www.artofdivorce.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No african americans on the ticket?? Why not??
27 posted on 03/02/2004 9:53:24 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: Young Rhino
I guess maybe nobody cares, but in my mind, Bill Richardson's personal visit to Monica Lewinsky's apartment at the Watergate, where he begged her to take a UN job, should negate him.

Nobody pays any attention to the fact that this guy was basically doing blow-job spin control, when he should have been worried about things like, oh I don't know, Al Qaeda or North Korea or Iraq or Pakistan or Afghanistan, etc.

Instead, he was running around trying to hush up the president's whore.

28 posted on 03/02/2004 9:54:58 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hillary Clinton: What could be more fun?

Lots of things, actually.

29 posted on 03/02/2004 9:56:53 PM PST by upchuck (I am upchuck and I approved this message because... well, just because.)
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To: Brimack34
No african americans on the ticket?? Why not?

Because the only qualified ones are in the other party.

Oh, and putting a black person on the ticket is about the only thing he could do to lose "liberal" Massachusetts.

30 posted on 03/02/2004 9:58:17 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: CommandoFrank
Yeah. I thought of it a couple years ago. Haven't slept well since...
31 posted on 03/02/2004 9:58:29 PM PST by null and void (Pay no attention to the ones and zeros behind the curtain, and they'll return the favor...)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Howlin; RJayneJ

1. Richardson (slapped down gay marriage in NM, Clinton crony, insures NM stays Dem)
2. Breaux (could deliver LA's electoral votes and keep the unions in line, perceived by Dems as strong on war and "pro-business")
3. Nunn or Cleland (perceived as "hawks" in Democratic circles, could make Georgia competitive)
4. Gephardt (strong with unions, strong in the rust belt, in tight with the Democratic Party hierarchy)
5. Hillary (elections trouble her, however...she'd rather be appointed for life to the Supreme Court, insures that Dems lose all of the Southern states if she's their VP half of their ticket)

32 posted on 03/02/2004 10:10:05 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: dead
Bill Richardson's personal visit to Monica Lewinsky's apartment at the Watergate, where he begged her to take a UN job, should negate him.

The Los Alamos spy scandal on his watch as Sec of Energy should also be a disqualifier. However, Richardson has the ethnicity card to play, and he will play it well.

33 posted on 03/02/2004 10:16:39 PM PST by Young Rhino (http://www.artofdivorce.com)
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To: AB AB AB
Max Cleland

No way. They keep sticking him out front with his one issue broken record pitch (kerry the great war hero)and he's going to get chopped to bits. After that, they will throw hin away like a bag of garbage.

34 posted on 03/02/2004 10:17:28 PM PST by paul51
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To: byteback
nah!he's gotta go with bubba!excellant war record.started a lot,served in none!!
35 posted on 03/02/2004 10:38:45 PM PST by buccaneer (no rats on my ship !)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Here is a bold guess

Former New Hampshire Gov. Jean Shehean as Kerry's running mate
36 posted on 03/02/2004 10:51:39 PM PST by Troy J Mathews
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To: COEXERJ145
You say it will be from a swing state with large electoral vote.

Then why did Bush choose Cheney and Gore choose Liberman in 2000? Both of them come from states that are steadfast Republican and Democrat, respectively
37 posted on 03/02/2004 10:54:40 PM PST by Troy J Mathews
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Howard Stern?
38 posted on 03/02/2004 11:02:48 PM PST by fish hawk ("I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more")
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To: Brimack34
No african americans on the ticket?? Why not??

Kerry already took care of this issue on a radio program today when he said that Clinton was the first black president and he, Kerry, is looking forward to being the second black president.

Why doesn't the black population pound the Dems for this nonsense?

39 posted on 03/02/2004 11:07:25 PM PST by Spotsy (Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Young Rhino
Don't get too excited. It won't be Hillary. What can she possibly add to the ticket? Not likes he needs to motivate the base or anything.
40 posted on 03/02/2004 11:09:37 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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