Assault Weapon Ban extension PASSES (Senate amendment to gun industry protection bill)

C-Span ^ | 3-2-04 | Sen. Dianne Feinstein D-CA

[Atlas Sneezed]

The vote was:

52 -Aye in favor of extending the ban 47 -Nay opposed to the ban.

[G. Chapman]

nice to see the "roll call vote" accountability + + chickenshits.

[G. Chapman]

nice to see the "roll call vote" accountability + + chickenshits.

[Dogbert41]

"I usually stay off these gun threads, because frankly, you folks are so emotional over the related political process that is is scary.

These principled stands over bits and pieces of the proverbial pie are going to cause the eventual and problematic loss of the entire pie.

While you battle over the scrap's, the rats will take the entire carcass.

You are not a Sabertooth, you are the hyena."


If this is all some sort of plan or ploy on behalf of the Republicans, they are the most incompetent politicians in the history of the world. For you to call the Senate's passing of the AWB extension, Gun Show loophole closures, and banning half of the centerfire ammunition made - SCRAPS - well, enjoy grinding your teeth on election day.

[Shooter 2.5]

Six dems voted for us. Ten Republicans voted against us. Let's not reward the anti-gun dems by putting them back into power.

[Badray]

"That's what I keep saying, and for my trouble I get subjected to personal attacks by the "vote Republican at all cost crowd.""

I'd rather have you at my side than 100 of the GOP bots. You have a lot of qualities that they don't have -- courage, common sense, and brains.

[Ohioan]

Another blame all our woes on Karl Rove post...

Far from it. Our woes go back at least as far as that coterie of the Far Left, which Roosevelt dignified in Washington, in the 1930s. They are in part the result of the gutless "me too" politics, which save for a few brief moments (1951-1953, 1981-1989, 1994 & 95). both parties have embraced since.

But Rove epitomizes the Republican impotence, inside the Beltway, to do anything towards actually arresting the progress of the disease. Rove's dysfunctional mindset is behind the missed opportunities to undo even the Clinton part of the legacy of duplicity; the era of apologetic Americanism, that has characterized so much of the past two generations.

Karl Rove--Dysron, Quack Or Mole?. Have you an answer? Suggesting that I have over-simplified, is not an answer. Challenge me on any of my points. Unlike, Karl Rove, I can relate every thing I write to the American tradition.

William Flax

[Texas Federalist]

Can you tell me more about the amendment banning some centerfire ammo? I missed that one.

[Joe Brower]

"Against them would be the best military on the planet, along with the bulk of the citizenry, many of whom are also armed and ex-military."

A factor to consider in this, however, is that many of those who would not cooperate are themselves ex-military. In addition, a great number of our military personnell would not be keen on attacking fellow Americans. Studies have been done on this subject, some which have been made public and some which have not, and they all tend to indicate that our military would by and large suffer a complete loss of unit cohesion.

A question that arises from this unpleasant topic is, "Why, with all the planes, tanks, ships and heavy weapons at it's disposal, is our government so afraid of simple, private citizens with small arms?"

[Cold Heat]

Advocates of cowardice, such as yourself, clutch your fears of what mean things the Dems and the media might say as a convenient security blanket, but it's a bit threadbare.

LOL! Now just WHO is making assumptions and major jumps of faulty logic here..................

[yarddog]

I think I understand why you stay off the gun threads.

May I suggest you continue to do so?

[Dogbert41]

"You can take my guns, but still I'll fight. But when you take my voice, you've silenced me forever."

You're obviously a very poor student of history, and even less knowledgeable about current events. What "voice" do you have? that we have? that one single prick from Hollywood can't undo or voice over 10,000 fold on tv?

[berserker]

Bush by five points. Book that.

This reminds me of some FR posts prior to the 2000 election, predicting the percentage of the popular vote GW was going to win by.

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm never going to vote for the Libertarian Party again. They should have been able to stop this.

I'm also going to cut up my GOA card.

[Texas Federalist]

You can take my guns, but still I'll fight. But when you take my voice, you've silenced me forever.

Actually, the Founders saw it the other way around. If the government takes your voice, you are not silenced forever because the Second Amendment guarantees you the means to change that government.

[Cboldt]

Six dems voted for us. Ten Republicans voted against us. Let's not reward the anti-gun dems by putting them back into power.

I use my own judgement in the voting booth, thank you. I vote in Maine. If you want to attribute Collins and Snowe to me (it's a sure bet that I pull GOP), then I am partly at fault for the Senate voting to extend the AWB.

[Henrietta]

"Against them would be the best military on the planet, along with the bulk of the citizenry, many of whom are also armed and ex-military. "

I think that a lot of military and ex-military would abandon their support for the goverment if the government starts shooting citizens. Just my two cents.

"Empty threats, and threats that only serve to solidify the opposition."

Yes, but as long as we still have our guns, who gives a shiite what they think? Come and get them!

[MineralMan]

"The terms are not exactly intuitive, and they get erroneously swapped back and forth quite a bit, which doesn't help matters.
"

That's true. What else is true is that the distinction is irrelevant to the issue. That's why I hate to see these discussions reduced to arguments about such details. Such a reduction only serves to alienate, not to convince.

There are good arguments to be made. Yet, every one of these threads quickly deteriorates and becomes useless. One group wants to begin a revolution, a prospect that does, and should, alarm most folks.

Another group wants to show off just how much they know about firearms and is quick to call those who know less names. A third group threatens to vote for anyone but Republicans. That's really helpful.

Clip, magazine....nobody really cares. The two refer to mechanisms to hold rounds. Even the precise definition of "assault rifle" is a waste of time. Under the AWB, there is a definition that is used in that law. That definition is the only one that matters.

Yes, we all know the difference between semi-auto and select-fire. The bulk of the public does not, and does not care. They just want those ugly-looking military-style firearms out of the street and the schoolyard. It's an easy sell to the public to ban them.

But, what do we do? Tell them they're idiots and don't know what they're talking about? That seems to be the general run of things here and elsewhere.

Frankly, I'd rather have my old bolt-action deer rifle and stand off a couple hundred yards. If I have to be in close combat, I want my Mossberg 12-ga. in hand, unless I'm facing the military, which is unlikely to occur. I wouldn't trade either for an AR-15 or anything similar. Not ever.

The arguments are wrong. They do not convince. Therefore, we get such things as the AWB. We need new arguments.

[carton253]

Unlike, Karl Rove, I can relate every thing I write to the American tradition.

That's the second funniest thing I've read today. You don't lack confidence, I'll give you that... but, I learned a long time ago not to get suckered into bets or challenges I don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning...

I just think it is hysterical when Karl Rove gets turned into a personal boogey-man.

Really...it makes me laugh out loud.

[Spottys Spurs]

"Let's save the vivitrol for when there is a need for it.

If you could do that, it would be really great. Thanks."

You know what? The faster our "leadship" gets the message we are genuinely fed up with their lack of backbone in supporting our gun rights, the better. I, for one, will NOT hold back and wait till they do whatever they believe is poltically expedient! Our elected representatives are in in office to reflect our positions and views. If they can't take the heat, let them pump gas or otherwise get the hell out of office.

Too many Americans are too willing to roll over and play dead. Last I heard, the Government was there at our pleasure not some self-serving beaucracy!

What I do see is a serious and steady erosion of our American rights. Time to stop this cold!