[Torie]

You are a fine chap, sir, but where I suspect we differ the most, is that I'm bullish on America, and you are in an angst mode.

Granted, there is a 40 trillion dollar actuarial deficit in the social security and medicare programs, hot off the press from the Cleveland Federal Reserve Bank. Most of that is from medicare. To close it, payroll tax rates would have to double from 16% or so, to 32% or so, and that won't happen. Nor can it be financed by a soak the rich income tax regime. We are going to a single payer socialized medical system within the next generation (20 years). The box is simply getting too tight to squeeze out of.

[DoughtyOne]

I should morph that '40% of republicans' comment. Traditionally around 40% of the populace supports each candidate from their respective parties. You know this. I misstated the premise and wanted to correct it. I'm not convinced republicans are going to hold up their 40% this time around, unless a lot of new blood that doesn't care about conservative issues has joined the party.

[Ken H]

We are going to a single payer socialized medical system within the next generation (20 years). The box is simply getting too tight to squeeze out of.

With any luck, I'll be dead by then so I won't have to worry about getting sick under such a system.

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

You are a fine chap, sir, but where I suspect we differ the most, is that I'm bullish on America, and you are in an angst mode.

Granted, there is a 40 trillion dollar actuarial deficit in the social security and medicare programs, hot off the press from the Cleveland Federal Reserve Bank. Most of that is from medicare. To close it, payroll tax rates would have to double from 16% or so, to 32% or so, and that won't happen. Nor can it be financed by a soak the rich income tax regime. We are going to a single payer socialized medical system within the next generation (20 years). The box is simply getting too tight to squeeze out of.

40 posted on 02/28/2004 7:54:51 PM PST by Torie

Thanks for the comments Torie.  I believe angst is an accurate description.  I would urge you to consider what our courts, schools, media and now the family are each facing.  Each are under assault.  Most are in danger of completely breaking down, or if not, strengthening to the detriment of a healthy moral situation.

In California the left can intercede at will at the judicial level on a whole host of issues.  Activist judges defeat justice with regard to capital murder cases, unpopular 'with the left' initiatives and other matters.  The moral code that sprang forth from a healthy active religious society, has been replaced by moral relativism at the judicial level and in our schools.  There is no right or wrong in schools, and our courts are making great strides in that direction.  The media piped into our homes, the schools that help formulate our nation's youth belief system, are both out of control, pushing what can only be classified as morally vacant anything goes activity, going so far as to remove parents from important life decisions in their children's behalf whenever possible.  Schools know best and parent's belief systems are destroyed by activists that work there.  Now there is an attempt to move homosexuality mainstream.  When that happens, and it will, churches, parents, in fact whole religions will be placed in danger of UN and even US civil rights prosecutions or attempted dissolution's.  Children will be indoctrinated at a level we never thought possible.  Through sensitivity training, bi-sexuality is normal, homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality and must be recognized as such, we will see our kids encouraged to experiment and test boundaries that would make a sailor blush up until about ten years ago, in order to find themselves, and their proper path in life.

Perhaps you think I'm misstating the state of affairs.  I don't.

I would agree with your comment about health care.  We are going to head one way or another.  Either we are going to move Social Security, Medicare and healthier into privatization completely, or we will have socialized medicine and our nation will completely cease to exist in any meaningful way that relates to what our founding fathers envisioned.  Every citizen will spend their time trying to move some other nose away, so they can suck at the government bosom.  We then enter the long dark night of the Poll(er), read that, 'Pander' Bear.

Yeah, I think angst about sums it up.  Heh heh heh...

You are a fine chap, sir, but where I suspect we differ the most, is that I'm bullish on America, and you are in an angst mode.

Granted, there is a 40 trillion dollar actuarial deficit in the social security and medicare programs, hot off the press from the Cleveland Federal Reserve Bank. Most of that is from medicare. To close it, payroll tax rates would have to double from 16% or so, to 32% or so, and that won't happen. Nor can it be financed by a soak the rich income tax regime. We are going to a single payer socialized medical system within the next generation (20 years). The box is simply getting too tight to squeeze out of.

[JohnnyZ]

You are a fine chap, sir

WHAT COUNTRY ARE WE IN, LAD????!?!!?