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To: DoughtyOne

"Yep, remind me of how California's problems are all of it's own devising. You say that California has been messing itself. No my friend, it's been messed on, and we're sick of it. Federal government policy and appointments have almost singlehandedly destroyed it."

Now wait a minute, how can you say that California has been messed on, this sounds much like the standard mantra of the left defending itself as a "victim" of one sort or another. Every conservative in the country realizes that California became a communist nation of it's own accord many years ago and is now enjoying the consequences of ignorant socialist democrat policies and STATE government mismanagement. Many conservatives believe that the left is the enemy within America, as I do.

Let's be honest, California created it's own mess and was dumped on by it's "forward thinking (foolish)" politicians who run it like the communists run communist countries. If what you say is true, wouldn't all the states be in the same mess that California is? Conservative states generally do better and the more conservative they are the better they do.

You,sir, are wrong and I hope you realize it. What states in the country are now in bankruptcy are liberal states and just because liberals refuse to believe they are the problem does not mean they are not the problem. They are the problem, they really are! As you sow, so shall you reap.

102 posted on 02/29/2004 5:36:55 AM PST by wgeorge2001 (Pr. 8:36 36. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death)

Yes, California's leadership is partly to blame. Davis and the Democrat controled legislature were boobs. They did screw us. Much of their actions were directed at gun control and other b.s. liberal agenda items. Some of their actions did impact the budget, but that wasn't the whole story.

In my comments I mentioned how a $30 billion dollar bill for educating the children of illegal aliens had been forced on the State by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. If you disagreed with that, you should have stated so and why. You didn't. California is around $40 billion in debt today. Do you or do you not think the $30 billion dollar bill for educating the children of illegal aliens in just Los Angeles contributed to that?

Despite California's rotten to the core leadership, it's citizens have passed bills designed to ease the burden of illegal aliens. They passed Proposition 187 which would have denied any public funds to illegal aliens and their children. That alone would have saved us tens of billions of dollars. Whats to deny here? Without the intervention of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, California would have eliminated tens of billions of dollars from it's budget woes.

You folks back east like to dump on Californians as if they were different than you. That's a short sighted ignorant thing to do. Californians by large majorities bitch-slap the legislature to no avail. Appointees from the federal government (the members of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals) strike them down. You tell me who the real liberal monsters are fella. Californians didn't appoint a single one of those Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals judges.

It may interest you to know that traditionally California has been the final destination point of about 50% of all new immigrants to the United States. The same has held true for illegal immigrants. Other states are now beggining to understand why California has had so many problems, as illegal immigrants flood their regions.

You show me a state that can afford to pay the bills for upwards of five to six million people. By your comments you are revealing that you think health care, education, crime, infrastructure, auto insurance rates (to those that actually bother to carry it) are not affected by those who don't pay a nickle for any of this.

In my initial comments, I touched on all this. Your knee-jerk response was to ignore all of it.

As for your comments about me being wrong, you are overlooking the fact that California alone carry's 50% of the weight of illegal immigrants. The rest are disbursed across 49 other states. You don't see an certain amount of inequity in that, a monetary exposure? While Californians were trying to explain that to the rest of the nation, and our leaders, they were told that illegals were not that big a problem and to live with it.

I'd love to see your state take five to six million freeloaders. Then we could see how your conservative leadership would pay the bills.

California is around $40 billion in debt today. Do you or do you not think the $30 billion dollar bill for educating the children of illegal aliens in just Los Angeles contributed to that?

Sure, that's part of it. But, even conceding that the overall effect is negative, you have to look at the positive contributions immigrants both legal and illegal have made, and see where it comes out in the end. Besides, California would probably be able to handle all its immigrants if the tax and regulatory environment wasn't terrible, among other things.

As for your comments about me being wrong, you are overlooking the fact that California alone carry's 50% of the weight of illegal immigrants. The rest are disbursed across 49 other states. You don't see an certain amount of inequity in that, a monetary exposure? While Californians were trying to explain that to the rest of the nation, and our leaders, they were told that illegals were not that big a problem and to live with it.
I'd love to see your state take five to six million freeloaders. Then we could see how your conservative leadership would pay the bills.

Oh,pain. How can this be explained to the foolish liberal attitude. Many immigrants come to California because of the self destructive policies enacted and maintained by hard line money loving,power loving,immature politicians (most all democrats) who spend taxpayers monies without moral or disciplined forethought of future generations.
The democrat party is much like a rich drunk thief having a night out and spending the cash he/she stole on the people he/she stole it from.
Near as I can tell.