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To: hellinahandcart
These people should not be calling themselves christians if they think he was some sort of social worker.


Or maybe he died simply for his unpopular, even subversive beliefs rather than for the sin of the world.

That kind of thinking goes against classical atonement theology.

"It's our belief," Mr. Gibson told Primetime, "that by the sin of the first people, original sin, that the gates were closed to us, to eternal life, and that his sacrifice as a redeemer of all mankind was to open the gates to all of us again."

That viewpoint dominated the early centuries of the church, when the primary statements of faith were written. The Nicene and Apostles' creeds punctuate beliefs in the virgin birth, the Crucifixion and the Resurrection – but say nothing about Jesus' teachings.

7 posted on 02/27/2004 9:01:27 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
"First, the essence of saving faith is that Jesus Christ died for my sins."

So you say. Read what others say here. Note - The Catholic Church agrees with you, Our Lord died for your sins and mine. Many flavors of so called Protestants do not agree.
9 posted on 02/27/2004 9:03:26 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: GeronL
The Nicene and Apostles' creeds punctuate beliefs in the virgin birth, the Crucifixion and the Resurrection – but say nothing about Jesus' teachings.

Oy.

Why would they say anything about His teachings? They are CREEDS. We recite them in church, as a declaration of what WE believe about Jesus. It's one part of the service. The teachings are another.

Really, I'm appalled by some of the twisted thinking in the article.

18 posted on 02/27/2004 9:12:31 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: GeronL
I know many Protestant sects recite their creeds during church services, but not all. Which ones don't, I wonder?
114 posted on 02/28/2004 6:43:37 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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