The Purpose of the Passion (Not all believers thought Jesus had to die for our sins)

Many Catholics are in support of abortion.

Apostolic succession hasn't stopped that, and the church does not punish people for believing abortion to be okay.

21 posted on 02/27/2004 9:17:03 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)

To: rwfromkansas

Sure he did, Trust Christ. Schism is the next kin to heresy, and the "fruit" of the Diet of Worms has been just that. Today there are corrupt homosexual deviants in leadership roles in the Catholic Church. This is a FACT. They are like the "thorn" St. Paul says God told him made him "strong through his weakness". Luther chose to succumb, to violate his solemn vows to God and to create a division in the Body of Christ that endures to this day. So very sad.

22 posted on 02/27/2004 9:17:34 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)

INTREP - THEOLOGY - ATONEMENT VALUE OF CHRIST's DEATH and RESURRECTION

23 posted on 02/27/2004 9:17:52 PM PST by LiteKeeper

To: rwfromkansas

Jesus had to die.

Not to mention that it was foretold in the Old Testament.

Gibson shows this in the film when he depicts Mary as having fore knowledge of the event.IMO

24 posted on 02/27/2004 9:18:16 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)

To: rwfromkansas; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...

The Church DOES tell ALL Catholics that abortion is a mortal sin, that support for same is a mortal sin and has recently (Thank God!) told public supporters of that horrific slaughter that they are public sinners not able to receive the Body and Blood of Christ until they have confessed, accepted His penance and agreed to amend their life.

Many, many protestant "churches" support abortion, divorce and contraception. The Catholic Church does not.

25 posted on 02/27/2004 9:20:36 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)

so many so called "churches".

Yes, I agree that they are backsliding and have been for as long as 30 years or so.

That was around the time that I no longer went to church on Sunday.

But, that is just me. I can justify it in many ways, but church was not helping me to be a better person is the best way I can say it.

26 posted on 02/27/2004 9:22:24 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)

To: wirestripper

God moves in many ways. May His Grace abound in your life.

27 posted on 02/27/2004 9:24:07 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)

Look, it is quite simple. The basic tenets of Chirstianity are found in the Apostle's Creed.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell.

The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

If these folks don't believe in that, then it is impossible to understand why they would continue to call themselves Christians.

28 posted on 02/27/2004 9:25:45 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)

Martin Luther is to blame for homo pedophiles in the current Catholic priesthood? Tell me another one.

29 posted on 02/27/2004 9:26:02 PM PST by drlevy88

Nope. Satan is, as he was to blame for Luther's temptation and heretical schism. Had Martin Luther been faithful to his vows and his God, much of satan's work would have been undone.

Luther IS responsible for the heresies that have followed, like the ordination of Vickie Gene Robinson, the Sodomite adulterer who is now a "BISHOP" in a "protestant" "church".

30 posted on 02/27/2004 9:32:06 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)

Exact, clear and Inspired. Thank you and Thank God!

31 posted on 02/27/2004 9:33:21 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)

If every man is his own Pope, then we can decide that Jesus did NOT die for us.

But we ARE free to decide that.

32 posted on 02/27/2004 9:35:48 PM PST by mlo

It's pretty amazing to see a major newspaper discuss the neccesity of a vicarious atonement. Wow!

What? Did He come to us to suffer as a Giraffe?

33 posted on 02/27/2004 9:36:29 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew

God moves in many ways. May His Grace abound in your life.

Thank you...... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

34 posted on 02/27/2004 9:38:45 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)

But it's a belief being questioned like never before by some mainline Protestants, particularly the historical peace churches and liberal theologians.
"My death is no more important than my birth or every day in between. Why should it be any different with Jesus?" said Kelly Webb, after a class on the Gospels at TCU. "If all that mattered was his death, why did he spend three years teaching and preaching?"

Pardon me, but this is where I get off.

This assweasel is why I not only left, but also fled the Episcopal Church. I know, it's a different denomination, but it's the same latte-sipping, Volvo-driving, some-of-our-best-friends-are-black-people attitude. This kind of sentiment concerning the very reason of the Lord's stay on this planet is characteristic of a set of first principles that has turned mainline Protestantism from a fighting faith that stood for all that was snobby and bigoted into a gaggle of coneheaded asshats who stand for all that is trendy and bigoted.

These are the people who, after the planes felled the Twin Towers, were the first to ask, "Why are they angry with us?"

An entire generation of f*#ktards raised at the feet of William Sloane Coffin to value little more than their own navels, now fail to understand the central meaning of Christ's mission: to suffer and die so that we might live. Gibson and the Opus Dei crowd are dead on about Christ's reason for being. Consider the following:

Suppose Jesus had come down, ministered the gospel, and then died a natural death. Say at, oh, the ripe old age of 55? Okay, like a ton of other prophets and wise men in his day, JC was filled with great ideas about being your brother's keeper and living the reflective life. But what if there had been no trial, no flogging with the flagum, no march up the Via Dolorosa, nor any crucifixion followed by the Ressurection and the triumph over Satan?

Without the Final Act, Christianity is just another feelgood outfit, like Toastmasters or Amway. Without the final act, Jesus remains a "marginal Jew" in a century filled with crazy ascetics like John the Baptist and a thousand other prophets before their time.

These people are fundamentally clueless about their own faith. These people are why I fled. For me, Jesus is all about this.

For the Hip and Aware crowd, this Jesus is the one they are most comfortable with...

Okay, I'm done now....

Be Seeing You,

Chris

35 posted on 02/27/2004 9:39:05 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "John Kerry: all John F., no Kennedy..." Click on my pic!)

Is it actually enforced or just talked about that you "can't partake until you repent"?

If so, I will be very pleased to retract my comment.

God bless.

36 posted on 02/27/2004 9:41:42 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)

Great post, and so happy to know I will see you in eternity.

37 posted on 02/27/2004 9:41:50 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew

"It doesn't make sense to me that God would need to be satisfied by sending his son to be killed," said Kip Taylor, a religion major at Texas Christian University. "That's a vengeful God and not a God I want to worship."

Well, considering our friend Kip here is a religion major at Texas Christian University, isn't this a bit like the guy who went AWOL from the Marines because he said he didn't know he might get asked to kill somebody? :)

38 posted on 02/27/2004 9:42:33 PM PST by Heatseeker

Narses, you are one of my true Catholic heroes. Well done.

39 posted on 02/27/2004 9:42:53 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets ....
Salvation is of the Jews.
Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.

40 posted on 02/27/2004 9:43:03 PM PST by Agnes Heep

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