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To: Dimensio; John H K; BiffWondercat; Virginia-American; Rudder; Junior
I'm not going to take the time to address each of you separately, since so many of you have the same themesong.

Many 'facts' of evolution can be explained scientifically by other means which includes a catastrophic, universal flood. The Scripture outlines such a flood as an upheaval from underneath the earth, as well as from the heavens.

My family and I have traveled extensively, and visited many National Parks, all of which state evolution theories as facts. One such park is Dinosaur National Monument. (If you have not been there, go. It's a remarkable place). There is a massive pile of dinosaur bones imbedded in the side of a hill, piled many feet up. The 'explanation' was a local flood. There is NO way in the world that a local flood could have done what happened there, but a massive universal flood could. There is another scientifically valid explanation that is ignored.

Scientists now acknowledge that the Colorado River did NOT form the Grand Canyon, but that's not what the signs in the park say, and that's not what kids are taught in schools. There are lies, and guesswork taught as fact in our schools.

I am not saying that I KNOW what happened, but I am saying that it is valid, and logical to believe that a Universal flood could have caused many of the things explained now by evolution (and that every culture on this earth has a story about that flood.....not just Christians and Jews). It's fascinating to go to Mt. St. Helens and see the canyon carved in a matter of hours there. It doesn't take millenia to form the geological strata in canyons. It just takes lots of water.

I do have good friends who disagree with me on this, but they are able to discuss it and still maintain respect.....something that doesn't seem to be in abundance here.....

The one thing I do know, is that we were created by a Creator, who loved us before we were even born, who formed us in our mother's wombs, and has every hair on our heads numbered. And I know that he loved us enough to send His Son, Jesus, to live among us, and to suffer and die for our sins, and to rise on the third day, and sit at the right hand of His Father in heaven.

One day, I will see Him, and if it's of any importance at the time, I will ask Him how HE formed the earth........in six days, as His Word says......or over millions of years.

And as I told John last night, I promise that I won't make fun of all of you when I find out that my understanding was right, and yours wrong.

Have a good day, all. Read the Word of God......especially the book of Genesis........pray about what's there, and be open to what God has to teach you.

73 posted on 02/28/2004 6:41:35 AM PST by ohioWfan (A GREAT MAN RESIDES IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS WHY HE IS HATED. THIS IS WHY HE WILL WIN! -DPrager)
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To: ohioWfan; Ichneumon
Scientists now acknowledge that the Colorado River did NOT form the Grand Canyon, but that's not what the signs in the park say, and that's not what kids are taught in schools. There are lies, and guesswork taught as fact in our schools.

Funny that the textbook writers, teachers, and park authorities are ignoring the scientists on this matter. Could it be that when you say "scientists" you don't mean "a clear and massive preponderance of recognized, competent scientific authorities"? Could you perhaps mean "the propagandists at AnswersInGenesis and Institute for Creation Research"?

Here's a nice dissection of creationist claims regarding the Grand Canyon. (Kudos to freeper Ichneumon who compiled it.)

80 posted on 02/28/2004 9:03:38 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: ohioWfan
One such park is Dinosaur National Monument. (If you have not been there, go. It's a remarkable place). There is a massive pile of dinosaur bones imbedded in the side of a hill, piled many feet up. The 'explanation' was a local flood. There is NO way in the world that a local flood could have done what happened there, but a massive universal flood could. There is another scientifically valid explanation that is ignored.

Really than how come that "Massive Universal" flood didn't also pile dinosaur (or any other) bones in the Adirondack Mountains in New York?

That's one of many cruxs of the Noah's Flood Myth, Fossils are so rare. If Noah's flood really did happen and caused fossils than you wouldn't be able to walk two feet anywhere on earth without tripping over one.

86 posted on 02/28/2004 9:53:01 AM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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To: ohioWfan
One such park is Dinosaur National Monument. (If you have not been there, go. It's a remarkable place). There is a massive pile of dinosaur bones imbedded in the side of a hill, piled many feet up. The 'explanation' was a local flood. There is NO way in the world that a local flood could have done what happened there, but a massive universal flood could. There is another scientifically valid explanation that is ignored.

Okay, on top of getting your information straight from Creationist websites, it's pretty obvious you have neither cable nor satellite. The jumble of dinosaur bones of which you speak was explained quite nicely a couple of years ago on the Discovery Channel (hence, my contention you don't subscribe). Indeed, they showed a similar situation in Africa when a herd of wildebeasts attempted to cross a flood-swollen river (note, this is probably what happened to the Ceratopsians in question -- not that they were swept away by a deluge, but that they tried to cross a swollen river and drowned). I'm sure you failed to note that the dinosaur bones in question showed definite evidence of post-mortem scavenging (or did the Creationist sites not mention that? It wouldn't be the first time they've left out information in order bolster their rather saggy case). If the critters had been buried by THE FLOOD, there is not a lot of likelihood that scavengers would have found and chawed on their carcasses, is there?

91 posted on 02/28/2004 11:03:02 AM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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To: ohioWfan
Many 'facts' of evolution can be explained scientifically by other means which includes a catastrophic, universal flood.

Okay. Explain similarities within the DNA record. Explain why, thus far, if a genetic trait is found in whales and cows, it is also found in hippos.

Scientists now acknowledge that the Colorado River did NOT form the Grand Canyon

Citation?

I am not saying that I KNOW what happened,

Really? You seem to have a lot of certainty as to what didn't happen, in spite of physical evidence for it.

I am saying that it is valid, and logical to believe that a Universal flood could have caused many of the things explained now by evolution

Be specific, don't just throw out "A flood did it all", explain what a flood did. Explain how, exactly, a flood would leave evidence similar to changes in alelle frequency over time, as well, because your claim that a flood -- or any gelogical event -- can cause results similar to those explained via evolution indicates that your knowledge of evolution might be lacking.

Also, how do you explain the lack of evidence for a global flood? The way many places in the world do not look as though they were ever submereged in water? The fact that many cultures have history that runs concurrent with the alleged time of the flood, whose recorded history seems to omit the fact that they were all wiped out by a massive deluge?

It's fascinating to go to Mt. St. Helens and see the canyon carved in a matter of hours there. It doesn't take millenia to form the geological strata in canyons. It just takes lots of water.

Thing is, a canyon carved in a matter of hours by lava will have specific physical traits. We don't see these traits in the Grand Canyon. That's why we don't assume that it was done in a matter of hours by a volcano.

The one thing I do know, is that we were created by a Creator, who loved us before we were even born, who formed us in our mother's wombs,

Your evidence for this?

and has every hair on our heads numbered.

The hair on my head changes in number every day. Unfortunately, it seems to be dwindling :\.

And I know that he loved us enough to send His Son, Jesus, to live among us, and to suffer and die for our sins, and to rise on the third day, and sit at the right hand of His Father in heaven.

Evidence?

I stand by my claim. You are either ignorant of the theory of evolution or you're dishonest. I'm much more likely to believe ignorance, however, given that you're not even trying to explain problems in the theory yet you seem genuinely convinced of the truth of your position. However, your personal conviction is not evidence against the theory, and your claims linking evolution with atheism further belie your lack of knowledge on the subject.
93 posted on 02/28/2004 11:38:43 AM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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