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To: gawd
next on the list: the "controversial" theory (!!) of ... Gravity. don't let the godless communists fool you, it's just a theory! says the Supreme Court!

You do realize that Newtonian physics has been disproven, or shown to be not applicable to the world we live in, or only applicable to motion on the earth . . . depends how you want to look at it, the point is his rules aren't universally applicable.

There is so much that ISN'T understood about evolution and many other theories (the Big Bang theory gets revised every couple months, seems like) that it is important to teach what is known, what is theorized, what is hypothesized, and the difference between them, and how to approach them critically in a scientific manner.

40 posted on 02/27/2004 1:21:39 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ
You do realize that Newtonian physics has been disproven, or shown to be not applicable to the world we live in, or only applicable to motion on the earth . . . depends how you want to look at it, the point is his rules aren't universally applicable.

I double-dog dare you to make that statement in any college level physics class. Newtonian physics are definitely NOT disproven, when you get into Relativistic physics (which are based upon Newtonian physics) you will soon realize that components at 'real world' speeds, masses and in non-relativistic timelines have for all intensive purposes zero impact upon the Newtonian model. That's why we refer to the LAWS of gravity, the LAWS of conservation of energy, and the LAWS of thermodynamics. Once disproven, the Laws cease to be Laws; they are trashed.

In Relativistic physics, Einstein showed that previously unthought of components in Newtonian physicls become significant, to the point of over-coming Newtonian components. However, the Newtonian components are always there, their contribution to the overall calculation just becomes less and less significant. If you write out Einstein's various Relativistic formulae, you will see that as mass get's more "earthly" or the speed is significatly below that of the speed of light, components will rapidly approach zero. So, if you simply discount these components as of zero value, you have Newton's formulae left over.

84 posted on 02/27/2004 2:17:04 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: JohnnyZ
it is important to teach what is known, what is theorized, what is hypothesized, and the difference between them, and how to approach them critically in a scientific manner.

Correct.

It is known that there are different fossils found in different strata.
It is known that living organisms can be arranged in a tree fracture based on anatomy.
It is known that DNA and protein sequencing arranges them into the **same** tree.
It is known that people have bred, by the simple expedient of only allowing certain animals (or plants) to live, numerous varieties of dogs, crops, pigeons, goldfish, etc, etc.
It is known that, because of mutations and the random shuffling of genes during meiosis, that not all the offspring of a mating pair will be identical, and
it is known that some of them will produce offspring of their own, and some won't.
It is known that part of the reason for this is that different members of the same species are differently-adapted for the environment they find themselves in.

All th above, except the molecular stuff, was known to Darwin.

It is theorized that all of life may be placed in a single tree structure that reflects common descent.

This theory could be falsified by finding an organism with a different genetic code, or an animal (or fossil) intermediate between a mammal and a bird.

It is theorized that random mutation and natural selection is sufficient to account for this.

This theory could be falsified by proving that some structure is "irreducibly complex.

It has been hypothesized that the Bible is inerrant.
It has been hypothesized that the Koran in inerrant.
It has been hypothesized that the Rig Veda is inerrant.
It has been hypothesized that the Diamond Sutra is inerrant.

It has been hypothesized that there is an intelligence "outside" the Universe that was responsible for "creating" it.
It has been hypothesized that the same (or perhaps a different) intelligence is responsible for life.

203 posted on 02/27/2004 11:28:12 PM PST by Virginia-American
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