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To: qam1
Yes we can, Maybe not in the lab but in Fishtanks around the world for the past ~1100 years from the Gibel Carp <917 A.D. to the Bubble Eye in 1908 with everything in between.

You do understand that you just presented evidence of evolutionary concepts created by DESIGN - this is an example of intelligent design. Not an example of evolution by happenstance.

273 posted on 02/29/2004 8:56:15 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
You do understand that you just presented evidence of evolutionary concepts created by DESIGN - this is an example of intelligent design. Not an example of evolution by happenstance.

How is selection pressure applied to a particular population by humans fundamentally different than any other selection pressure?

307 posted on 03/02/2004 2:11:53 PM PST by Condorman (Changes aren't permanent, but change is.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
You do understand that you just presented evidence of evolutionary concepts created by DESIGN - this is an example of intelligent design. Not an example of evolution by happenstance.

1) Typical creationist dishonesty and moving the goalpost, You set the parameters

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"we assume based on our current theories that genetic codes diverge from an ancestral code. We cannot observe this actually happening or duplicate it in the lab".

Well that's exactly what happened with the goldfish. The lab in this case was the fishtanks and ponds and we have observed over the course of ~1100 years the genetic code of goldfish diverged from their ancestral carp.

2) And what intelligent design? The Ancient Chinese did not have Genetic engineering capabilities so in order for the bubble eye and other breeds to develop they were relying on "Happenstance" mutations and because of those "Happenstance" mutations goldfish have evolved new organs, structures, Chromosome number and genes that are not found in the gibel carp.

3) The evolution of goldfish is parallel to the evolution of male birds like the peacock and birds of paradise which the females only breed with the ones they find the prettiest. The only difference between them is that humans are deciding what's prettier not female birds.

The ones that look the prettiest (well at least to the owners) live and breed and the ones that don't look pretty enough end up becoming dinner or bait, Evolution at it's simplest

309 posted on 03/02/2004 10:06:49 PM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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