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Amendments to Gun Mfrs Liability Protection Act (Expanded AP Bullet Amendment is a Killer)
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Posted on 02/27/2004 6:13:36 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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Kennedy's amendment 2619 is a deal breaker as it would literally outlaw every rifle cartride in the entire country. Sorry, no links. Please go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ and search for S 1805 and then click on "Bill Summary & Status" at the top.
To: Joe Brower
Heads up. Most of the amendments are neutral or even unrelated to the Second Amendment. However, the redediniton of "armor piercing" would effectively disarm us and is a deal breaker under ANY circumstances.
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posted on
02/27/2004 6:21:51 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: *bang_list; AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; ...
A must read. Clip and save.
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posted on
02/27/2004 6:25:37 AM PST
by
Joe Brower
(The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
To: Blood of Tyrants; Joe Brower; Travis McGee
False utility: Guns that kill must be outlawed, otherwise we won't be
safe.
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posted on
02/27/2004 6:30:03 AM PST
by
risk
To: Blood of Tyrants
12. S.AMDT.2628 to S.1805 To exempt any lawsuit involving a shooting victim of John Allen Muhammad or John Lee Malvo from the definition of qualified civil liability action that meets certain requirements. Why didn't they just title it for what it is, the Sue Bushmaster Until They Are Out-Of-Business Amendment. Cripes -- and Frist is supposed to be on our side.
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posted on
02/27/2004 6:51:56 AM PST
by
wysiwyg
(What parts of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?)
To: Blood of Tyrants
What is up with Frist and these amendments? Can't these guys ever pass a clean bill on anything other than renaming a post office?
To: wysiwyg
If you look at wat was originally proposed, "S.AMDT.2627 to S.1805 To exempt any lawsuit involving a shooting victim of John Allen Muhammad or John Lee Malvo from the definition of qualified civil liability action" and compare it to S.AMDT.2628, which added the words
"that meets certain requirements" so that it doesn't give the victims )and lawyers) unlimited power to sue and basically places the same standards on it as all other lawsuits.
You can look at the roll call vote for 2627 and 2728 and see that basically they are mirror reverse of each other with the anti-gun senators for the first amendment with no limitations and the pro-gun senators for the second. Besides, Senator Craig, who wrote and introduced S1805, co-sponsored it and I trust him on this one.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:21:03 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: G L Tirebiter
No, they can't. Besides, there is nothing in the Constitution from preventing it. However, Tennessee has a consttutional provision that PROHIBITS amending a bill with anything not directly related to the main bill and it also prohibits more than one subject being addressed in one bill.
We have found that it works really well to keep them from sneaking in unwanted or unpopular legislation.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:24:15 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Time to add a few more boxes to my arsenal.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:26:47 AM PST
by
Indie
(The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
To: Indie
You can never have too much ammo.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:33:48 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
to exempt qualified current and former law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed handguns.
Why should LEO's with bad behavior off duty be exempt from the provisons of the law that prohibit lawbreakers from possessing firearms? Shouldn't they be held to an even higher standard than your average Joe?
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:35:43 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
To: G L Tirebiter
To exempt any lawsuit involving a shooting victim of John Allen Muhammad or John Lee Malvo from the definition of qualified civil liability action that meets certain requirements. Sponsor: Sen Frist, Bill [TN] (introduced 2/26/2004) Cosponsors: 1 Latest Major Action: 2/26/2004 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 2628 agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 59 - 37. Record Vote Number: 19.
Thanks Frist, you're a real hero to gun owners and manufacturers :(
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:36:54 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
To: Blood of Tyrants
We have found that it works really well to keep them from sneaking in unwanted or unpopular legislation.
I wish they had those same rules in Congress. They would be VERY helpful.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:37:41 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Kill two birds with one stone - keep the money rolling in, without any "speed bumps" for the arms manufacturers (as if a world-wide war on terror isn't keeping business busy), while at the same time disarming the population at large.
If Bush signs this piece of garbage into legislation, can there be any doubt about his goal? Think about it.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:45:20 AM PST
by
realpatriot71
("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
To: ClintonBeGone
It isn't necessarily bad behavior that prohibits off duty police officers from CC. Some cities and counties prohibit ANYONE except on-duty LEO's from carrying a concealed weapon.
Since I believe that ALL gun laws are unconstitutional, this one is DOUBLY so since it violates both the 2nd and 10th Amendments.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:45:35 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Have you read this yet? NRA Director Sen. Larry Craig's Ammunition Ban Amendment
I need you to tell me again why you trust Sen. Larry Craig as OUR savior.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:46:21 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.--Eleanor Roosevelt)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Ammended to death, and bush asked for a clean bill? Oh well, the slimes of New York and the left coast will do it in.
The pubs have no concept of how to fight the culture war, or, perhaps they are the true enenmy in drag as conservatives and protectors of the people.?
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:47:22 AM PST
by
Ursus arctos horribilis
("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
To: ClintonBeGone
Read my post #7 above. The words "that meets certain requirements" at the end basically neuter the amendment. If you don't believe me, look how they voted on both amendments.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:48:28 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: wysiwyg
wysiwyg wrote:
12. S.AMDT.2628 to S.1805 To exempt any lawsuit involving a shooting victim of John Allen Muhammad or John Lee Malvo from the definition of qualified civil liability action that meets certain requirements. Why didn't they just title it for what it is, the Sue Bushmaster Until They Are Out-Of-Business Amendment. Cripes -- and Frist is supposed to be on our side.
As
Blood of Tyrants pointed out, this one had some qualifications that the Mikulski amendment on the same topic didn't have.
This amendment worries me the most of what has passed so far. Any victim of a crime, or any family of a crime victim, could make a 14th amendment claim that they are "similarly situated" to the victims of Muhammad and Malvo, and could probably convince a judge to allow a similar lawsuit. That could gut the entire law and leave manufacturers and dealers with little or no protection from this law.
Disclaimer: I haven't read the actual text of the Frist version of this amendment that passed.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:52:53 AM PST
by
cc2k
To: B4Ranch
Larry Craig didn't amend it. Ted Kennedy did. There is some motive for blaming this on Craig that we are unaware of.
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posted on
02/27/2004 7:53:02 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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