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To: TheBattman
Of what relevance is it to point out that they were Jews?

Is there a part of the bible that says "Jews"?

Those individuals acting as group may have been Israelites but who cares.

What purpose does it serve to illuminate their faith?

If not to somehow place blame?

More importantly does anyone really believe that Jesus would have had it matter to us?

186 posted on 02/27/2004 5:44:43 AM PST by highpockets
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To: highpockets
Of what relevance is it to point out that they were Jews? Is there a part of the bible that says "Jews"? Those individuals acting as group may have been Israelites but who cares. What purpose does it serve to illuminate their faith? If not to somehow place blame? More importantly does anyone really believe that Jesus would have had it matter to us?

Besides historical, its important because Jesus fufills hundreds of specific Jewish prophecies. The meaning of his death can only be understood and appreciated when one understands Jewish understanding of sin and redemption. The authority of the witnesses has power because they are members of God's chosen people. That is just for starters.

199 posted on 02/27/2004 5:53:53 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: highpockets
"Is there a part of the bible that says "Jews"?"

Um. The word "Jews" appears literally hundreds of hundreds of times in the the Gospel of John. And it repeatedly states that the Jewish leaders were plotting to kill him. It also refers many times to "the Jews that believed in him". It talks about how "the Jews" would continually come up with ways to test him, to try to trip him up. It also talks about Jews that became his disciples.

I'm not disagreeing with the rest of your point. I'm just saying though, yeah, the Bible very much does make a point of who was a Jew, who was a Gentile, who was a Samaritan, who was a Pharisee, who was a Roman, etc. etc. etc. And it states very explicitly, several times, that Jews sought to kill him. The Romans aren't even brought in till the end.

I can see many reasons for this being pointed out without the desire to spread blame. Like, to, uh, explain the temporal reason why he was killed. 99.9% of Christians I know, though, don't care what the temporal reason was, cause they believe it was preordained. It doesn't change the fact, though.

My question is, why aren't Italians getting upset about their portrayal in this movie, UNLESS it is because Christians today are being blamed for the actions of Christians who lived several centuries ago?

Qwinn
203 posted on 02/27/2004 5:56:55 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: highpockets
The point is not to point out the fact that "they" were Jews - the point IS to not attempt to revise the Bible for the politcial correctness that is pervasive in this country. Ignoring that the leaders of the Jewish faith at that time were the most vocal to support the crucifixion of Christ is taking from the scriptures - a serious no-no.

You have to take the entire Bible in perspective - One of the primary purposes of the Old Testament was to set the stage for our Savior Jesus Christs appearance and ultimate sacrifice - God chose the Hebrews/Jews to be his special tool in the world. First he set the example of the spilling of blood to attone for sin. He established the Law as a guideline for what is expected. He then gave prophecy to point to the coming Perfect Sacrifice.

Then in the New Testament we learn of the continuation of Gods plan - the birth death and reserection of the very Son of God to pay for the sins of the world. What better group to use for the sacrificing of this "Perfect Lamb" but the Jews who knew the need for sacrifice?

I also believe that God is not finished with the Jews. I believe that in the end times, the Jews will again play a very important roll in God's plan.

So, I repeat that the removal of Jews from their very important roll in God's plan is an attempt to alter the facts.

Anyone who harbors hate towards Jews for their roll in this Plan are ignorant of the scriptures.


366 posted on 02/27/2004 11:12:35 AM PST by TheBattman (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com)
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