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Is Cheney the Next Target? The Vietnam War war could turn to the vice president.
National Review Online ^ | February 24, 2004 | Byron York

Posted on 02/24/2004 8:23:33 AM PST by xsysmgr

With a few exceptions, it appears that Democratic attacks on President Bush's record in the Air National Guard are beginning to subside. While a welcome development for Republicans, it is little relief to party strategists, who expect the issue to pop up again in the almost certain event that Sen. John Kerry becomes the Democratic presidential nominee. But a more immediate concern to the GOP is the suspicion that Democrats are pulling back on the Bush/Guard issue in part because they are preparing to attack Vice President Dick Cheney on his lack of service in Vietnam.

"There's going to be a massive attack on Dick Cheney soon," says one source who keeps up with such matters. "The Cheney story of deferments makes Bush look like Audie Murphy" — a reference to the much-decorated World War II hero.

Cheney, who was born in 1941, received a series of draft deferments as a student, a husband, and a father during the Vietnam era. By the time the draft became most intense at the end of the 1960s, he was too old to be called. At the time of his confirmation hearings as secretary of defense in 1989, Cheney reportedly said he had complied with all the rules, and would have been happy to serve if called, but, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."

An attack on Cheney's past seems likely in light of the fact that President Bush's extensive record of service in the Air National Guard did not prevent Democrats — who once defended Bill Clinton's active avoidance of the draft — from labeling Bush a "deserter" who went "AWOL" in 1972. The ensuing controversy prompted the White House to release records showing Bush served two years of full-time, active duty from 1968 until 1970, then put in hundreds of hours in the air as a fighter-interceptor pilot from 1970 to 1972, and later, even though he moved to Alabama and stopped flying as his F-102 aircraft was being phased out, still met Guard requirements for service.

With that issue now on the side, an attack on Cheney would allow Democrats to again showcase Kerry's Vietnam service. But it might also create problems when the time comes for Kerry to pick a running mate. Of the names that have been mentioned for the job — former presidential candidate Rep. Dick Gephardt, current candidate Sen. John Edwards, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh, Florida Sen. Bob Graham, and New Mexico governor Bill Richardson — none served in Vietnam. Some were too young, but others were old enough to serve.

Meanwhile, Republicans are rejecting what they say is an attempt by Kerry to shut down debate over his Senate voting record on defense and national-security issues. In recent days, Kerry has suggested that criticism of him on those topics amounts to criticism of his patriotism, or an attempt to sully his medal-winning record in Vietnam.

The most recent exchange between the two campaigns was set off by a remark made by a Bush surrogate, Georgia Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss. In a conference call with reporters about the upcoming Georgia Democratic primary, Chambliss said of Kerry, "When you have a 32-year history of voting to cut defense programs and cut defense systems, folks in Georgia are going to look beyond what he says and look at his voting record."

It seemed an uncontroversial assertion; Kerry has been in public office for decades, and his voting record is undoubtedly relevant to his campaign for the presidency. But Kerry quickly attacked, suggesting that Chambliss, acting "on the part of the president and his henchmen," was questioning, among other things, Kerry's Vietnam record.

In a letter sent to the White House late Saturday, Kerry wrote, "Over the last week, you and your campaign have initiated a widespread attack on my service in Vietnam, my decision to speak out to end that war, and my commitment to the defense of this nation. Just today, Saxby Chambliss — a man elected to the US Senate on the back of one of the most despicable campaigns ever conducted against Max Cleland, a true American hero — was carrying this attack for you."

Kerry went on to accuse the president of trying to "re-open [the] wounds" from "a very difficult and painful period in our nation's history" — the Vietnam era — for "personal political gain." Kerry challenged Bush to a face-to-face debate on "the Vietnam era, and the impact of our experiences on our approaches to presidential leadership." There is no indication that the president will accept Kerry's challenge.

Kerry's gambit surprised even some Republicans who have become used to his habit of citing his Vietnam service even on occasions when it is not relevant to the subject at hand. "It's incredibly arrogant for a United States senator to say, 'You're not allowed to talk about my voting record,'" says one Republican. "Looking at his voting record alone, there is more than enough that he needs to explain."

After Kerry's letter, the Republican National Committee sent a strong signal that it will keep the focus on Kerry's Senate record, releasing a statement criticizing 13 of Kerry's votes, all in the 1990s, to terminate or cut funding for weapons systems like the B-1 bomber, the B-2 Stealth bomber, the F-14, F-15, and F-16 fighter planes, the AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot Missile, and the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. In an appearance on CBS Sunday, Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie brought up some of those votes, as well as Kerry's vote against the first Gulf War. "Those are legitimate, public-policy issues," Gillespie said.

When Democratic National Committee chief Terry McAuliffe, who was appearing on the same program, was asked to defend Kerry's record, he at first appeared not to know what to say. "First of all, John Kerry is not the nominee of the Democratic party," McAuliffe answered, "so — you know, but he has been attacked, so I will defend John Kerry." McAuliffe then said Kerry had "supported every major defense build-up in this country," adding, "This man fought for our attack subs, our Black Hawk helicopters, he supported. He voted for an increase for military pay. Goodness gracious, I mean, John Kerry voted for the USS Ronald Reagan. This man has many votes that we can go to that shows he supports the defense of this country."

Kerry's emphasis on his war record has also prompted some of his adversaries to suggest that he release the records of his service from 1966 through 1970, much as the White House made public hundreds of pages, including medical records, documenting Bush's Air National Guard service from 1969 through 1973. Kerry's records would likely contain routine information like biographical data, documentation of each assignment, transfer orders, fitness reports — as well as papers for his Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.

It seems unlikely the documents would contain any groundbreaking, previously unknown information. And releasing them might backfire on Republicans by prompting still more positive stories about Kerry's service. Still, some observers believe a simple sense of fair play demands that Kerry authorize the release of information, just as the president did.

There is plenty of precedent from Kerry's own experience to support such a release. Kerry was elected to the Senate from Massachusetts in 1984 and has been reelected three times. His Vietnam record, including questions about the circumstances of some of his medals, has come up more than once. To deal with those questions, Kerry has collected at least some of his records himself, and has allowed some journalists and scholars to see them. For example, he gave copies of the papers to historian Douglas Brinkley, who used them for his new book, Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War.

"It was a pretty fat file," says Brinkley of the records. "Most of it was pretty boring, but it was invaluable for establishing a chronology [of Kerry's service]. I went through what he had. It was fairly thorough, but no medical records."

Brinkley says he believes it is unlikely that Kerry would object to the release of his records. "I think he'll probably release them," Brinkley says. "There's not much there...Every time he runs, the same issues have come up like Groundhog Day."



TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cheney; kerry; vietnam
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To: xsysmgr
In effect Kerry uses his medals to smear Republicans.

In the 1970s he smeared everyone who believed in the defense of liberty but who didn't fight in Vietnam, for whatever reason--up to and including WWII Navy veterans like Richard Nixon. And he is smearing George Bush now.

Essentially his position has been that he rejected any inference that America and its Constituiton were morally superior to tyrannical Communist regimes--and that because of his medals no one had a right to question his position with the theoretical exception of people who had been killed in Vietnam.

Mr. Bush should simply tell Senator Kerry that as commander-in-chief he had on many occasions conducted awards ceremonies to congratulate and thank servicemen for gallantry in action--but he never once supposed that in doing so he had given that man a lifetime immunity from disagreement if he should at any subsequent occasion run for political office.


21 posted on 02/24/2004 8:51:14 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: xsysmgr

Kerry's elections and re-elections to public office in Massachusetts impresses me about as much as Ted Kennedy's and Barney Frank's re-elections in same democrat infested state.

Those persons elected in Massachusettes will be rejected in several of the other 49 states.


22 posted on 02/24/2004 8:53:17 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: xsysmgr
Dick Cheney was born in 1941. My brother was born in 1944. When my brother was in 'Nam '66-67, he was the oldest (23) guy in his platoon. If he was the oldest during that time period, Dick Cheney would have been considered a senior citizen. And more than likely, even if he had attempted to enlist, it's more than likely he would have been rejected for medical reasons. The Dems have nothing here.
23 posted on 02/24/2004 8:53:52 AM PST by mass55th
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To: areafiftyone
Dirty campaign, as it seems, even I must confess that "I had other priorities than military service" is not the brightest thing to say. Dems will have no problems in turning it into "I had better things to do than to serve my country".

I really love your tagline, by the way. Funniest I ever read.
24 posted on 02/24/2004 8:54:03 AM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: xsysmgr
This campaign is going through its "Battle of the Bilge" phase. The Rats are surging forward, firing all the dirt they've stored up. Like the better known BotB this is a sign of desparation. Their improving polling numbers are tempoary, until Bush goes back on the offensive. The only problem is Bush's tendency to let the 'Montgomery" tactical wing of the party (the don't offend anyone RINOs) lead the counterattacks rather than the "Patton" (conservative) wing.
25 posted on 02/24/2004 8:55:32 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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To: Arrowhead1952
"He also hates dogs" : ) -Roy "Tin Cup" MacAvoy
26 posted on 02/24/2004 8:55:47 AM PST by labowski ("The Dude Abideth")
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
You really should be a little less reserved. Holding it all in is bad for you BP. LOL
27 posted on 02/24/2004 8:57:31 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: xsysmgr
This endless rhetoric splashing SenKerry's Vietnam record around at every opportunity, has moved from the status of positive attribute and is beginning to wear very thin with most veterans I talk to. It's entering a phase of political propaganda and that won't help Kerry's campaign in the long run. It's quite obvious Kerry is attempting to innoculate himself from any criticism the Bush campaign may decide to use against him. Without the issue of Kerry's Vietnam war record, the Senator has little left of a positive nature that appeals to mainstream America. What's he gonna do for the next 8 months? LOL
28 posted on 02/24/2004 8:57:45 AM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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To: xsysmgr
In a letter sent to the White House late Saturday, Kerry wrote,

As Bill Krystol pointed out on Sunday, the day President Bush's dog dies Kerry sends this letter.

It seems to sum up Kerry nicely, that he would do such a thing timed in such a way.

29 posted on 02/24/2004 8:59:17 AM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: The G Man
More like a Darwin Award nominee if you ask me.

Another soldier had a rigged grenade that he dropped next to Cleland and Cleland picked it up thinking he had somehow dropped it; being rigged to go off easily, with the safety measure of the pin defeated, it went off. This Qualifies him as a Darwin Award nominee how? Since you're criticizing his service in the Nam, I assume you were there also. Exactly what would you have done under these circumstances? Would the same apply to every GI who lost limbs of life to VietCong rigged grenades ans such (booby traps)?

30 posted on 02/24/2004 8:59:29 AM PST by templar
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To: xsysmgr
Oh, and as the Cheney gambit, that will backfire on the dims, too.

But maybe this indicates Kerry will pick Clark for VP (could he possibly be that stupid?) if there is going to be military record comparison ongoing from that side. How else would they employ such a plan to downgrade Cheney unless the dem equivalent had some kind of military record to compare it to?

31 posted on 02/24/2004 9:01:37 AM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: Williams
"Uh, Harry Truman didn't seek reelection because he couldn't end (the Korean War"

I seem to recall that Ike said "I will go to Korea", and that was pretty much rhe end of Truman's hopes for re-election. , my point was that the Korean War was, like practically all Democrat-started wars, completely avoidable. Roosevelt, then Truman, flatly refused to include the Korean Peninsula in our zone of protection in the Pacific, which emboldened the Russians to support the NK Communists in their attempt to sieze the South. It would have taken so little to prevent this war- but the Democrats, as usual, were too cowardly to even try.
32 posted on 02/24/2004 9:06:25 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE ("It is terrible to contemplate how FEW politicians are hanged" G.K. Chesterton, `1921)
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To: My2Cents
Why should the nation have to be dragged through Kerry's psychosis over his Vietnam experience?

Its not just Kerry's psychosis. Most of DU doesn't seem to have comprehended that VIETNAM IS OVER. YOU MADE US LOSE YOU COMMIE PANSIES!
33 posted on 02/24/2004 9:08:44 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: xsysmgr
If Cheney comes under attack because of his lack of service during Vietnam, it won't be coming from the left, at least not initially. If he stays on the ticket he will be attacked by the dems during the campaign. Quite frankly, I think they would like him to stay. Any attack over the next couple of months would most likely be coming from within the GOP. imo.
34 posted on 02/24/2004 9:11:53 AM PST by leadpenny (What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about?)
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To: mass55th
If I remember correctly you were elgible for the draft up through age 26.....

Cneney got student deferments, got married in 1964 which placed him in another draft category at the time, they had a child in july 66 which place him in still another draft category...
35 posted on 02/24/2004 9:13:44 AM PST by deport ( BUSH - CHENEY 2004 .....)
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To: deport; mass55th
Mass55th is right.

There was a draft prior, during and just after Vietnam, however there were only four so-called Vietnam Lotteries. Cheney would not have even come close to the first one, let alone the next three, of being considered.

http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm

36 posted on 02/24/2004 9:19:41 AM PST by leadpenny (What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about?)
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To: leadpenny
True, but he was still elgible for the draft prior to when the lotteries became the method of selecting for the draft.... He received student deferments up throug 65 I believe. He would have been 26 in 1967.... Vietnam was building up during the mid 60s so there's no reason to believe he would have served in Nam even had he been drafted....
37 posted on 02/24/2004 9:26:48 AM PST by deport ( BUSH - CHENEY 2004 .....)
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To: leadpenny
There was a draft prior, during and just after Vietnam
Perhaps under some definition of "after Vietnam", but I'm confident that when Nixon discontinued the draft our troops were still engaged.

38 posted on 02/24/2004 9:39:54 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: deport
Good point. The lotteries were a change in the ages of those called. They were taking older men up til then. But, if I may present a snapshot of what I experienced in 61. I enlisted in the Army that year just out of High School. The draftees I served with in Basic Training and through 64 (all before Vietnam got cranking) were, on average two to three years older than I was. So, those drafted in 61 were around Cheney's age, but by 65 to 67 (before the lotteries) his draft board probably had already passed him by. The only question I might have is for 61. If you look at the numbers, there was a spike in that year, probably because of the build-up in response to the Berlin Crisis.

http://www.sss.gov/induct.htm

39 posted on 02/24/2004 9:41:30 AM PST by leadpenny (What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about?)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Your right, if you look at the explanation for the fourth lottery, they didn't even call anyone. So, in effect, there were three lotteries for the Vietnam period.

However, I was a BCT Company Commander in 73 and my first cycle of troops had some of the last draftees. After that it was all VOLAR.
40 posted on 02/24/2004 9:47:14 AM PST by leadpenny (What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about?)
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