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Craig Barrett confirms 64 bit address extensions for Xeon. And Prescott (Intel follows AMD )
The Inquirer ^ | Tuesday 17 February 2004, 18:13 | INQUIRER staff:

Posted on 02/17/2004 6:02:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Intel Developer Forum We’d like to welcome Doctor Transformation

By INQUIRER staff: Tuesday 17 February 2004, 18:13

CRAIG BARRETT kicked off the Intel Development Forum by saying the economy had started to pick up.

But once he'd got that stuff out of the way, he confirmed that Nocona, its next generation of Xeons, will have 64-bit address extensions which he described as the worst kept secret in San Francisco. Right.

Steve Ballmer said in a video that Microsoft was very excited by the introduction of 64 bit extensions. People would continue to run their existing applications in 32-bit. This adds versatility and scaleability for workstations and servers.

There was already a beta of Microsoft Windows for Intel's 64-bit extensions.

Intel will introduce 64-bit extensions for desktop Prescotts later in the year and for Potomac next year.

Barrett didn't say whether the technology was compatible with AMD 64. He'll be asked that in the Q&A following his keynote, no doubt.

Barrett showed off software that takes advantage of the 64-32 bit extensions. The 64-bit extensions allow for better levels of detail.

But, before that, Kicking Pat Gelsinger showed Barrett as a young man, said he was dubbed Doctor D, and showed the differences between the past and present then by introducing the distinguished elderly gent.

Governments are making investments in technology. Every business round the world has recognized the power of IT to make business more competitive.

Creating, preserving and accessing content helps to train the next generation, he said.

There’s no place to hide from digital technology, he said.

Companies like Ford were able to shorten their product cycles. The car company uses IT to cut down development of new models from four years to 22 months, said Barrett.

Microprocessors are shipping in unprecedented volumes, he said. This growth is sustained and rational.

Technology is being used to discover the creation of the Universe said Barrett, while Stephen Hawking claimed the Itanium 2 powered his life in a short video he showed.

Dangerous territory. Hawking said it must be boring being god and having nothing left to discover. Hawking is an atheist. We don’t know if Barrett is.

Twenty years ago it was exciting to throw out a new bit of silicon without knowing what effect it would have. Now the challenge is to make sure that supporting technologies are there.

He underlined Intel’s support for the Itanium 2, with 50 OEMs. The Itanium will use multithreading and support PCI Express, he said.

Barrett wheeled out a sharp looking gentleman in suit and tie to say that Morgan Stanley used the Itanium 2 to make its business leaner and meaner.

Barrett demonstrated the LCOS system we described yesterday, and showed a USB connection using Ultra Wideband to transfer data at nearly 500Mbit/sec. Currently it's short range.

He said there are now more wireless lines than phone lines. In Korea and Taiwan, wireless phones are the norm and have showed staggering growth.

WiMax and other wireless networks including 3G and 4G were developing. He said it means that industries impacted by the digital onslaught, such as the music industries. The next generation in the music industry might be quite different.

He showed off an Intel triband design which uses Xscale and has built in 802.11 and Bluetooth, and a digital camera. That would allow users to download music by phone.

Turning to laptops, he demonstrated a machine using the Florence platform, which uses the Dothan Pentium M, including GPRS, Bluetooth, 802.11b/g, an integrated display on the outside of the case. It also has a biometrics/fingerprint sensor.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: 64bitsystems; amd; intel
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1 posted on 02/17/2004 6:02:06 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Microsoft SDK .h header files have had #if defined(_M_IA64) for at least a year now (two years if you count the 64-bit pre-release betas).

Not much of a secret.

2 posted on 02/17/2004 6:31:56 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Chip-makers bump. If SC sales are up...the rest of the economy is just behind.
3 posted on 02/17/2004 6:33:42 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
What are you running on?
4 posted on 02/17/2004 6:38:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Gideon7
They may already have things ready in the Prescott!
5 posted on 02/17/2004 6:39:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Compac Presario...standard off the shelf. I'm not computer wise...by a long shot. (I just made chips...I don't know how to use them, lol)
6 posted on 02/17/2004 7:07:31 PM PST by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
> They may already have things ready in the Prescott!

They do.

Most of the content in today's announcement evidently
came during the Q&A. Intel downplayed it during the
keynote. They probably did not want it to be the top
story from today's IDC (lotsa luck).

The new instructions are called IA-32e (e for extended).
It will be hard to market it as true 64-bit with that name.

It is not IA-64 (Itanium) compatible.

It is "mostly" AMD64 compatible, but strangely, can't run
today's Linux64/AMD.

If may be BIOS-based. It may be EFI-based. We don't know.

It is not at all clear just exactly what IA-32e is, or
how it works. It may turn out to be some sort of emulation.

No word on performance, and none expected for some time.

All that is known for sure is that Intel has just shipped a
pile of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt).

INTC was up on the day.
AMD faintly down on an otherwise up tech day.
7 posted on 02/17/2004 7:40:37 PM PST by Boundless
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To: Boundless
AMD is delivering some competition to Intel.

Good for all of us lovers of low cost and fast computers!

Man should never wait on a computer!
8 posted on 02/17/2004 9:19:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Boundless
The new instructions are called IA-32e (e for extended). It will be hard to market it as true 64-bit with that name.

This is an excellent illustration of how big companies paralyze themselves in the name of internal harmony and ego-protection, and end up toppling over as a result.

It is probably heresy inside the Intel Corporation to say out loud what everyone knows to be true: the Itanium is, umm, failing to meet expectations. Thanks to some clever engineering from AMD, the market now has an alternate path to 64-bit computing, and there is very little doubt that AMD will clean Intel's clock in the server market if Intel does not face reality.

The IA-64 appears to be another iAPX-432, the amazing waaaaay-ahead-of-its time chip that Intel once offered up as the 32-bit successor to the 16-bit x86 line... which at that time was still at the 286. There are plenty of people at Intel who remember those days, so they already know how this movie ends.

But Intel is stuck. Like any big company, it has a whole division that has its hopes and dreams tied up in the IA-64. It's their baby, and it's wonderful, and it must be the sales department's fault that things are not unfolding according to plan.

Plus they have the "50 OEMs" (are any besides HP of significant size? I don't know). These are loyal customers who stuck their necks out and committed to IA-64 back when no one else would. These are your best friends.

So even though everybody in the building knows that the right answer is to drop Itanium like a hot rock and get out there quickly with an answer to AMD's Opteron, they can't bring themselves to really do it. They have to cripple the device, and position it as some limited "mid-way point" on the way to ItaniumLand... which absolutely no one believes. In spite of which, they all parrot this nonsense to the public and to each other, and everyone pretends to believe it's true.

This is how everybody in the minicomputer business, except for Hewlett-Packard, died. It's how all the mainframers except IBM died. It's how Kodak is going to kill itself.

Even though everybody in the place understands the threat, and what the right thing to do is, they can't bring themselves to do it. Their whole bureaucarcy will deny reality for as long as it can, so it can continue doing what it has been doing.

There is some contingent at Intel -- probably a sizable one -- that can tell you one hell of a story about why the IA-64 must inevitably take over the world. It just hasn't happened yet, but it will. It must.

Yeah, and there's a guy at Kodak who can tell you just as good a story about why there will always be a market for silver halide film. Digital Equipment's Ken Olsen is famous for having said, "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home".

It's all about people fooling themselves; denying reality so that they can keep on doing what they have been doing. It takes spectacularly good management to steer a large company through one of these episodes. It doesn't look like Intel has the right guy. What they are doing here is going to give AMD another year or so to get design wins and to move their technology even further ahead.

In one of the other articles about this, one of the reporters inquires as to whether this new Intel chip is "AMD compatible." If you're Intel, and you hear that, you should run out of the building, fly back to the office immediately, and set off the fire alarm when you get there.


9 posted on 02/17/2004 10:24:06 PM PST by Nick Danger (Spotted owl tastes like chicken)
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To: Nick Danger; blam; RadioAstronomer; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; snopercod
In one of the other articles about this, one of the reporters inquires as to whether this new Intel chip is "AMD compatible." If you're Intel, and you hear that, you should run out of the building, fly back to the office immediately, and set off the fire alarm when you get there.

ROFLMAO!!!!

Outstanding RANT!!!

You got this nailed!

I can tell you some stories about the IBM Corp and the internal battles between plants and marketing .

10 posted on 02/18/2004 10:49:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; newgeezer
No one will ever need more than 640K or RAM.
11 posted on 02/18/2004 10:49:57 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
fyi
12 posted on 02/18/2004 11:06:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: biblewonk
I remember that as a common saying in the glory days of the mainframe!

Today I am typing this on an AMD64 with half a terabyte of disk storage and one Gigabyte of RAM storage!

Never thought it would happen!
13 posted on 02/18/2004 11:26:41 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Same here. 1GB of PC3200 RAM and only 160GB of drive space on a pair of 80GB 7200 Maxtors. ATI Radeon 9800 Pro video however. Smokin'....
14 posted on 02/18/2004 11:37:07 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dead Corpse
AMD Athlon XP
Hard drives: 300GB, 160GB Firewire external, and two 80 GB hard drives.

Gotlots of storage and with the 1GB RAM...I'm good to go!

WooHoo!

Gotta love modern technology!

I love AMD. We've been using them for quite awhile. Hubby doesn't like Intel for some reason.

15 posted on 02/18/2004 11:45:19 AM PST by MoJo2001 (Register To Vote -- Your Voice! Your Vote! Stand Up and Be Counted!)
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Got lots or plenty would have been better than Gotlots!

Welcome to the English language MoJo!! WooHOo!
16 posted on 02/18/2004 11:46:36 AM PST by MoJo2001 (Register To Vote -- Your Voice! Your Vote! Stand Up and Be Counted!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; The Sailor
Pinging the husband to this thread. Hello??

17 posted on 02/18/2004 11:50:13 AM PST by MoJo2001 (Register To Vote -- Your Voice! Your Vote! Stand Up and Be Counted!)
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To: MoJo2001
You need to upgrade to one of the AMD64 models.

I think they are faster than advertised. AND run cooler!
18 posted on 02/18/2004 12:25:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: MoJo2001
You need to upgrade to one of the AMD64 models.

I think they are faster than advertised. AND run cooler!
19 posted on 02/18/2004 12:25:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Nick Danger
Kodak invented the photo CD ten years ago. They have digital printing kiosks in every drug store. They sell digital cameras and have announced they will no longer sell film cameras except the throwaways. They sell inkjet photo paper and memory cards.

Perhaps I've missed something. What is it they aren't doing?
20 posted on 02/18/2004 12:34:17 PM PST by js1138
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