Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
> They may already have things ready in the Prescott!

They do.

Most of the content in today's announcement evidently
came during the Q&A. Intel downplayed it during the
keynote. They probably did not want it to be the top
story from today's IDC (lotsa luck).

The new instructions are called IA-32e (e for extended).
It will be hard to market it as true 64-bit with that name.

It is not IA-64 (Itanium) compatible.

It is "mostly" AMD64 compatible, but strangely, can't run
today's Linux64/AMD.

If may be BIOS-based. It may be EFI-based. We don't know.

It is not at all clear just exactly what IA-32e is, or
how it works. It may turn out to be some sort of emulation.

No word on performance, and none expected for some time.

All that is known for sure is that Intel has just shipped a
pile of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt).

INTC was up on the day.
AMD faintly down on an otherwise up tech day.
7 posted on 02/17/2004 7:40:37 PM PST by Boundless
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]


To: Boundless
AMD is delivering some competition to Intel.

Good for all of us lovers of low cost and fast computers!

Man should never wait on a computer!
8 posted on 02/17/2004 9:19:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies ]

To: Boundless
The new instructions are called IA-32e (e for extended). It will be hard to market it as true 64-bit with that name.

This is an excellent illustration of how big companies paralyze themselves in the name of internal harmony and ego-protection, and end up toppling over as a result.

It is probably heresy inside the Intel Corporation to say out loud what everyone knows to be true: the Itanium is, umm, failing to meet expectations. Thanks to some clever engineering from AMD, the market now has an alternate path to 64-bit computing, and there is very little doubt that AMD will clean Intel's clock in the server market if Intel does not face reality.

The IA-64 appears to be another iAPX-432, the amazing waaaaay-ahead-of-its time chip that Intel once offered up as the 32-bit successor to the 16-bit x86 line... which at that time was still at the 286. There are plenty of people at Intel who remember those days, so they already know how this movie ends.

But Intel is stuck. Like any big company, it has a whole division that has its hopes and dreams tied up in the IA-64. It's their baby, and it's wonderful, and it must be the sales department's fault that things are not unfolding according to plan.

Plus they have the "50 OEMs" (are any besides HP of significant size? I don't know). These are loyal customers who stuck their necks out and committed to IA-64 back when no one else would. These are your best friends.

So even though everybody in the building knows that the right answer is to drop Itanium like a hot rock and get out there quickly with an answer to AMD's Opteron, they can't bring themselves to really do it. They have to cripple the device, and position it as some limited "mid-way point" on the way to ItaniumLand... which absolutely no one believes. In spite of which, they all parrot this nonsense to the public and to each other, and everyone pretends to believe it's true.

This is how everybody in the minicomputer business, except for Hewlett-Packard, died. It's how all the mainframers except IBM died. It's how Kodak is going to kill itself.

Even though everybody in the place understands the threat, and what the right thing to do is, they can't bring themselves to do it. Their whole bureaucarcy will deny reality for as long as it can, so it can continue doing what it has been doing.

There is some contingent at Intel -- probably a sizable one -- that can tell you one hell of a story about why the IA-64 must inevitably take over the world. It just hasn't happened yet, but it will. It must.

Yeah, and there's a guy at Kodak who can tell you just as good a story about why there will always be a market for silver halide film. Digital Equipment's Ken Olsen is famous for having said, "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home".

It's all about people fooling themselves; denying reality so that they can keep on doing what they have been doing. It takes spectacularly good management to steer a large company through one of these episodes. It doesn't look like Intel has the right guy. What they are doing here is going to give AMD another year or so to get design wins and to move their technology even further ahead.

In one of the other articles about this, one of the reporters inquires as to whether this new Intel chip is "AMD compatible." If you're Intel, and you hear that, you should run out of the building, fly back to the office immediately, and set off the fire alarm when you get there.


9 posted on 02/17/2004 10:24:06 PM PST by Nick Danger (Spotted owl tastes like chicken)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies ]

To: Boundless
The reason they have to call it IA-32e is because there is a lot more to Opterons than just 64 bit instructions. Intel's architectural direction cannot be changed overnight. Server Opterons use multiple hypertransport buses. The Opteron has also integrated the memory controller to eliminate processor the memory controller latency. On top of that the Opterons efficiency per clock cycle is superior to Intel. That is why Intel has to run at 3+ GHz to match a 2 GHz Opteron. Intel also has a power dissipation problem. So much so that the newer processors aren't certified in the small form factor chassis. Now add on top of that more cells switching for 64 bit "extensions" and it will be even hotter. Opterons also scale out to 4 ways while Intels architecture does not. Intel still has a long ways to go to catch up to AMD. The 64 bit "extensions" are just the first very small step.

As for stocks, INTC spent most of the day negative, ending down 0.4% while AMD was up all day ending up about 2.5%.

Intel and the markets just validated AMD's 64 bit product.
24 posted on 02/18/2004 12:53:12 PM PST by mpreston
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson