Jerusalem Wall Collapse Sparks Jewish-Muslim Row: MUSLIMS CONTINUE ATTEMPT TO ERASE JEWISH HISTORY

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[Cinnamon Girl]

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The collapse of part of Jerusalem's Western Wall during a rare snowstorm sparked a row between Jewish and Muslim clerics Sunday as one rabbi called it a miracle no worshippers were hurt.

The collapse late Saturday of an 800-year-old embankment next to where Jewish women pray at the site commonly known as the "wailing wall" sent people fleeing from tumbling rocks.

The Muslim authority for the area, the Waqf, blamed Israeli building work nearby for the problem; but an Israeli architect said construction by Arabs was making the wall unstable.

"It's a miracle nobody was hurt," said rabbi Shmuel Rabinovich, blaming time and the weather for the collapse.

Engineers were also looking at whether a small earthquake last week might have played a part in the incident. Israeli police kept people away from the site Sunday.

The head of the Waqf, whose authority includes the Al-Aqsa mosque above the wall, said it had been complaining about Israeli renovations of the Western Wall plaza for some time.

"We've been saying it could cause problems," said Adnan al-Husseini.

Israeli archaeologist Eilat Mazar said it was the fifth time in two years that parts of the walls had begun to crumble, buckle or crack as a result of what she called unsupervised construction by the Waqf -- a charge the Muslim clerics deny.

"What concerns me most is the Temple Mount itself is in danger of collapsing...The earthquake has certainly done more damage but nobody goes to check," she told Reuters.

Jewish women worship separately from men and Rabinovich said partitions would be set up in the men's section to allow women to pray there until their area was made safe after the collapse.

New Yorker Frady Schwartz, praying at the wall Sunday, was unfazed; she said with a shrug: "It's in God's hands."

[FreedomSurge]

Why do the women pray separately from the men? Is this Muslim tradition or Jewish tradition?

[Cinnamon Girl]

It is Jewish tradition, originally. There were separate sections for the men and women in the Temple.

[missyme]

Is this what you are referring too?

See the name of the LORD coming from afar in burning wrath, with lowering clouds! His lips are filled with fury, his tongue is like a consuming fire;
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His breath, like a flood in a ravine that reaches suddenly to the neck, Will winnow the nations with a destructive winnowing, and with repeated winnowings will he battle against them (and a bridle on the jaws of the peoples to send them astray).
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The LORD will make his glorious voice heard, and let it be seen how his arm descends In raging fury and flame of consuming fire, in driving storm and hail.
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When the LORD speaks, Assyria will be shattered, as he strikes with the rod;
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While at every sweep of the rod which the LORD will bring down on him in punishment,
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You will sing as on a night when a feast is observed, And be merry of heart, as one marching along with a flute Toward the mountain of the LORD, toward the Rock of Israel, accompanied by the timbrels and lyres.
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For the pyre 6 has long been ready, prepared for the king; Broad and deep it is piled with dry grass and wood in abundance, And the breath of the LORD, like a stream of sulphur, will set it afire.

[missyme]

Isn't that End Times Prophecy: The Re-Building of the Temple?

[Lijahsbubbe]

That is just awful. And the picture of the person walking by the collapse is just so sad. When will Israel realize it's power?

[Chris Talk]

I was thinking of the verses 13 and in there abouth the breach in the high wall which collapses in an instant.

Later on down in the chapter is the part about the twin towers falling.

[missyme]

Hashemite Kingdom Theory: The Islamic Nations will come against Israel either by an Iraqi-led, Jordanian led, or Turkish led coalition. The enemy from the north refers to the areas of Syria, Turkey, and Iraq. These Islamic nations make up the lands occupied by Magog, Gomer, Togarmah, Meshech and Tubal.

2. Caucus Theory: Gog and Magog are the Arab nations in an alliance with the Muslim republics of the former Soviet Union. This theory leaves out most of Russia, and includes only the southern part.

3. All Europe theory: Gog and Magog are the sons of Japeth thus the originators of the European races. Gog and Magog therefore indicates all of Europe. This is not a widely held theory and I could find little support for it.

4. Russian Theory: The Hebrew word 'rosh' in verse 3 is identified with Russia, 'Tubal' with Tiblisi or Tobolsk and 'Meshech' with Moscow, therefore Gog and Magog refers to Russia. This is one of the most commonly held views and is based on a different interpretation of the Hebrew word Rosh (used as a noun rather than adjective), similarities in the pronunciation of words, and the Greek translation of Rosh referring to a tribe of people found in what is now Russia.

[Chris Talk]

Can Tzemakh mean BUSH?

[Chris Talk]

Gog and Magog, a real Bear and Dog show.

Gog=12=Bear=Dov

Magog=52=Dog=Kalev

[missyme]

13)Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

Yes you are correct!

[missyme]

hmm..Splain Ricky ???

[southland]

ping

[Hand em their arse]

Isaiah 30:9-14..... interesting?

[Chris Talk]

As most know, I go with your theory #1, the Hashemite Muslim antichrist who raises an army in central Asia.

Magog was in deep antiquity the name of a people of Mongolian race from the furthest northeast. In the medieval era, it was shown as a thumb-shaped peninsula at the extremity of Asia, probably what we call Korea.

Please no charges of "racism," but the Far Eastern peoples were said in ancient Hebrew to have a dog's face, and it is forecast that the last generation before Messiah would wear the face of a dog. This however, may refer to the dog's promiscuity sexually, which humans are now outdoing especially in Massachusetts.

[etcetera]

Is there a Third Temple Fund to which people could contribute money for the building of the oft-mentioned Third Temple? If not, would it be presumptuous to start one?

What would be the reaction to such a fund? Would Jews and Christians welcome it? And Muslims - how would they react?

[Hand em their arse]

ARE PEOPLE AFRAID OF OFFENDING BY SPELLING GOD !!!!! Just wondering why all of the dashes. I've never come across that in the Bible, nor have I ever thought GOD approved of XMAS either????

[river rat]

Does anyone still believe that these two peoples can ever live side by side in peace?

I for one doubt it....
Semper Fi

[missyme]

Ok I see your point...Have you considered the Anti-Christ to be apostate Christianity (Homosexuality in the Church) rather than the personage of the Anti-Christ...

[missyme]

Live in Peace? Only when Jesus arrives...

[Chris Talk]

It is a Jewish originated attempt to show the total Otherness of G-d, and to make us go out of our way to type any reference to him, and not just slur over him like we would any common noun.

The true Name of God, YHWH, is just called Ha-Shem, the Name. Not pronounced except as necessary for scholarship until Messianic times.