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Putin Laments Death of the Soviet Union
ABC News ^ | Feb. 12

Posted on 02/12/2004 5:18:22 PM PST by nickcarraway

Russian President Vladimir Putin Laments Death of Soviet Union in Campaign Speech

MOSCOW Feb. 12 — President Vladimir Putin used a campaign speech Thursday to declare the demise of the Soviet Union a "national tragedy on an enormous scale," in what appeared to be his strongest-ever lament of the collapse of the Soviet empire. Putin, a former agent of the Soviet KGB spy agency, has praised aspects of the Soviet Union in the past but never so robustly nor in such an important political setting.

"The breakup of the Soviet Union is a national tragedy on an enormous scale," from which "only the elites and nationalists of the republics gained," Putin said in a nationally televised speech to about 300 campaign workers gathered at Moscow State University.

The president's language was sure to send a chill through the 14 other former Soviet republics that have been independent from Moscow rule for more than a decade.

In the past and to audiences from the former republics, Putin has sought to ease fears about Russia having designs on rebuilding the old empire.

In September remarks after a meeting of the Commonwealth of Independent States the grouping of former Soviet republics Putin said:

"The Soviet Union (was) a very complicated page in the history of our people," adding "that train has left."

But on Thursday, he spoke in a much stronger tone, appearing to play to Russian nationalism.

"I think that ordinary citizens of the former Soviet Union and the post-Soviet space gained nothing from this. On the contrary, people have faced a huge number of problems," he said.

"Today we must look at the reality we live in. We cannot only look back and curse about this issue. We must look forward," he said.

Across town, meanwhile, Putin challengers in the election next month refused to debate among themselves in a television program called for that purpose. The candidates said a debate was meaningless without Putin, who says he doesn't need the free television advertising.

At the taping of what was to be the first debate ahead of the March 14 vote, four of Putin's six challengers answered questions from the studio audience, but then rejected the host's appeal that they debate each other.

"Bring Vladimir Putin here and we will have a debate," independent liberal candidate Irina Khakamada said, winning applause from the audience.

Calling it pointless to debate with anyone but Putin, "my main competitor", Communist candidate Nikolai Kharitonov said that by ignoring the debates, "Putin is depriving the population of the right to choose."

Also at the taping were candidates Sergei Glazyev of the populist-nationalist Homeland Party and Oleg Malyshkin of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's ultranationalist Liberal Democratic Party.

Regardless of Putin's public declarations about campaign advertising, state-controlled television channels already lavish him with extensive coverage as on Thursday when state-run Rossiya showed his remarks live.

Addressing a packed auditorium at Moscow State University, Putin said: "The head of state should not engage in self-advertising."

"Nevertheless," he continued, "I am simply obliged before my voters and the entire country to account for what has been done during the past four years, and to tell people what I intend to do during the next four years."

Responding to a question after his state-of-the-nation-style speech, Putin said that the 1991 Soviet collapse which most Russians regret led to few gains and many problems for ordinary citizens.

Turning to global politics, Putin said that Russia must become a "full-fledged member of the world community" and assailed those in the West who still have a Cold War-era distrust of Russia. They "can't get out of the freezer," he said.

Putin reiterated his stated opposition to prolonging his time in office, limited to two terms. But he indicated he would choose a preferred successor, saying that the task of any top leader "is to propose to society a person he considers worthy to work further in this position."

Some Putin opponents had considered boycotting the presidential election, saying a fair vote was impossible in Russia today, and the refusal to debate in Thursday's program reflected the candidates' anger at the president's dominance of the campaign.

Some political analysts said, however, the public does not expect Putin to debate.

"They see the head of state as a monarch who shouldn't participate in discussions with those below him in the hierarchy," said Andrei Ryabov of the Carnegie Institute in Moscow said.

The Organization for the Security and Cooperation in Europe said the state-controlled media's parliamentary campaign coverage was slanted toward pro-Putin forces and accused the government of pressuring news media, to limit opposition views.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: 2004; capitalism; communism; elections; nostalgia; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; sovietunion; ussr; vladimirputin; vladtheimploder
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To: spetznaz
Putin banned abortion in Russia.

Would that we had done the same here years ago.

How many millions of taxpayers were taken out of this country's future by yielding to societal pressures?

And how much more are we diminished as a "moral" nation because of all the unborn who never had a chance to vote or contribute tho' they were so close to being born.

21 posted on 02/12/2004 6:45:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support OurTroops! ...... Yes to Special K ...... NO NO NO NO on Props 55-58 ...)
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To: Finalapproach29er
Russians have a history of expansionism (forced).

Russia in Siberia just like America in the West and South? America was expanding the same time Russia was. Without communisim as a world altering force what do you care? Russia will reclaim Alaska? What do you fear? Living in the Cold War past?

22 posted on 02/12/2004 8:04:07 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Finalapproach29er
What most American can not understand is that there is two issues involved...Soviet State, as in entity of sovereignty and territory (read old Russian Empire) of which 80%+ population vote in referendum not to destroy but new leaders want own kingdoms and create disaster of 90's which spark massive theft, wars, drop in standard of life and pain....and Soviet Political/Economic system.

As Putin said: "Any who do not lament the fall of the Soviet Union (implied state) has no soul. Any who wish the return of the Communism (soviet political/economic system) has no brain."

23 posted on 02/12/2004 8:26:32 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Finalapproach29er
Russia is much more capitalist then US now and much more Christian...with Christian education in school and ban on abortion after 12 weeks...soon enough on all abortion, where US can not ban even birthing abotions....which is autrocity of autrocities.
24 posted on 02/12/2004 8:27:39 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Finalapproach29er
Reagan was never duped like this

If I recall, a communist leader named Mr. Gorbachev had a close relationship with President Reagan.

25 posted on 02/12/2004 8:29:48 PM PST by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: spetznaz
Why Soviet Bloc? Russia is natural empire, Empire of Great Russ exist in one form or other for 1,500 years, Soviet Bastards exist for 70 years....why not Russian empire which much more ingrain come back? And it will.
26 posted on 02/12/2004 8:39:27 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Mr. Mojo; A. Pole; Destro; MarMema
Not surprising. KGB thug, control freak, corrupt to the core. The guy's a commie through and through -- always has been, always will be.

Yes, he spend country into deficit, bring in 10 million socialist, expand government growth more then any in 50 years, more regulation, more centralized intelligent control of peoples life, citizens in military jail without accusation, no control of border....oh wait, that is US conservative...

But Putin put down 13% flat tax, ban abortion after 12 week, Christian history/culture taught in school, kill sales tax, balance budget with huge (by Russian economy) surplus invested for future recession and pay off over half country debt, slash vat tax, implement trial by jury and proper property right, and go after corrupt oligarch (who oddly find assylum in West countries...hmmm.....but that is all Soviet aspects, right?

27 posted on 02/12/2004 8:44:55 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: belmont_mark
Ahh, back from clearing out communists from under your bed? Or were you on safari with friend Berezovsky, who you claim to support?
28 posted on 02/12/2004 8:46:09 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
Abortion is illegal after 12 week and births jump from 1.2 to 1.9 this year and still on rise...Russia is at level or US and next year above...US only grow because mass Mexican and Arab influx.
29 posted on 02/12/2004 8:48:10 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Oh, Putin did all that? Um UM UM he must me a fascist!!
30 posted on 02/12/2004 8:48:13 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: RussianConservative
"The breakup of the Soviet Union is a national tragedy on an enormous scale from which only the elites and nationalists of the republics gained,"

And.....

"I think that ordinary citizens of the former Soviet Union and the post-Soviet space gained nothing from this."

- Pooty

31 posted on 02/12/2004 8:49:56 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: COEXERJ145
Screw attention. Are goons beating down doors in the middle of the night and hauling people off to dudgeons and exiling them to slave labor camps to freeze or starve? You think that's worth it to get publicity? If so, you are one sick dude.
32 posted on 02/12/2004 8:54:37 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Destro
For some Cold War gave only meaning to life...US good guy no matter what is done, and all problems of home pale to comparison of what is happening on world stage...now all dirty laundry that hang invisible is not and is in the glare of light. Ohh...for the good old days for these types.
33 posted on 02/12/2004 8:56:15 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: JasonC
Uh, just what the heck is your problem? You obviously missed the point of what I was saying and instead decided to open your mouth and spout out hot air.
34 posted on 02/12/2004 8:56:40 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Mr. Mojo
So you saying that two statements not true?
35 posted on 02/12/2004 8:57:26 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
I'm saying that he appears to be lameting the demise of the Soviet Union. Needless to say, if that's the case, I certainly don't share his sentiments.
36 posted on 02/12/2004 9:01:00 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: RussianConservative
Ohh...for the good old days for these types.

Apparently Pooty is "one of those types."

37 posted on 02/12/2004 9:01:37 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: nickcarraway; Destro; Mr. Mojo
Putin quotes...

"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."

"History proves that all dictatorships, all authoritarian forms of government are transient. Only democratic systems are not transient. Whatever the shortcomings, mankind has not devised anything superior."

Most of the people posting here watch CNN too much instead of trying to figure things out for themselves. The great majority of them have never even been to Russia, but feel obliged to put down the country and her people at every opportunity. Must be the public school syndrome rearing it's ugly head again.

38 posted on 02/12/2004 9:08:14 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
How exactly does objecting to a few quotes from one guy (Putin) translate in your head to "putting down the country and her people at every opportunity."

I like Russia and Russians (the ones I've met anyway), and I'm thrilled that they threw off the chains of communism. And if Putin supported us in Iraq and would cool it with the nationalist/nostalgic rhetoric, I'd like him better as well.

39 posted on 02/12/2004 9:16:02 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: GOPyouth
trust, BUT VERIFY.

Ring a bell?
40 posted on 02/12/2004 9:43:40 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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