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To: ClancyJ
To: DoughtyOne
Gee, one good article about Bush and you rush right in to trash him.  What a game - see who can rant about Bush the most!  I am getting a little tired of all the Bush bashing - in fact - turned off Hannity/Colmes, Scarborough, Greta and watched a movie.  If the man had done great harm to American citizens I could understand but what did he do?  Defended America when under attack, took the war to the terrorists, put all nations on notice that if they harbor terrorists, they too will be considered a terrorist nation, put Bin Laden in a cave, captured Saddam, freed a nation from a murdering, torturing leader, and is in the process of bringing a chance for freedom to Afghanistan and Iraq, reorganized American government to provide methods of insuring the safety of the homeland.  Gee - I can really see why Americans hate him - that includes the Bush-bashing "conservatives?".  They much, much prefer men like Clinton, Kerry. Men that will do all in their power to turn this nation over to the U.N. to lead, will welcome terrorists into our country and only put them in jail if caught killing American citizens.
35 posted on 02/10/2004 10:39:49 PM PST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)


I will vote for Bush this fall because there will be no one else who can win other than a U.N. loving, military hating leftist passing for a loyal citizen.  That does not mean I will like it.

As for the man George Bush, I like him.  I believe he is a moral man who simply doesn't know what conservatism is.  Let me explain.

I have a son.  I want him to understand what a conservative is.  I tell him that fiscal conservatism is important because this policy allows him to keep more of his own hard earned money to support his family.  I tell him that military conservatism holds no quarter with terrorists and defends it's own borders second to none.

I could go on, but let's look at these two topics.

My son can turn right around and say to me, "But dad, Bush is the top-dog conservative and he's running a $500 billion dollar deficit this year, has proposed a multiple hundred billion dollar medication healthcare bill, has raised the spending roof on the department of education and on and on..."  What can I tell the kid?  I can tell him that there's a war on terror, but that $500 billion isn't just the war on terrorism and the kid knows it.

When it comes to that war on terrorism and our borders, once again, what do I tell the kid?  We talk a grand scheme about terrorists, then allow the world's longest running terrorist to operate at will on the West Bank.  We said we would leave no rock unturned in the effort to rid the world of terrorists, then give Arafat a pass and condemn Israel when it defends itself.

As if this weren't bad enough, we allow millions to flood across our borders at will.  We offer up nothing more than token intervention even issuing orders for our border officers not to persue illegals in some instances.

We have arrested known terrorists who have entered our nation across the Mexican border, but continue to leave it wide open.  We allow over 95% of all shipped goods to enter the nation uninspected, but demand our families strip down at airports upon request.  We still allow people to immigrate from terrorist states.

I support Bush's efforts on the war in Iraq.  I support his efforts in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Sadly, the guy won't pull the trigger when it comes to other things that need to be done.

When I tell people what conservatism truly is, they ask how I can say what I do when Bush doesn't seem to agree.  Frankly, that's an excellent question.


40 posted on 02/10/2004 10:57:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
My son can turn right around and say to me, "But dad, Bush is the top-dog conservative and he's running a $500 billion dollar deficit this year, has proposed a multiple hundred billion dollar medication healthcare bill, has raised the spending roof on the department of education and on and on..." What can I tell the kid?

The good news is that it's you your son will be most influenced by in his education in conservatism in his daily life.

43 posted on 02/10/2004 11:21:46 PM PST by skr (Pro-life from cradle to grave)
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To: DoughtyOne
Good comments. So glad you intend to vote for Bush.

Just mention to your son that there are many reasons - different people see conservatism in different degrees of conservatism; compassionate conservatism is what Bush stated he was - we are seeing compassionate conservatism; a President has to look at all agendas and pick those that he can accomplish - some are for now, others will be done later, others will not get done due to opposing forces.

We cannot expect one man to be perfectly aligned with our views and accomplish everything we wish to accomplish. A man has to direct his efforts to a few items and try and get them done - yet people expect all to be done or else.

All of these expectations in changing government when his top priority is fighting the war on terrorism. Just how much can one man accomplish in a 4-year period. Also, please note all the forces against him as he fights our battles while we sit back comfortably and criticize because he moved two steps forward when we expected 10 steps.

It might help matters if there was a little less criticism and more support and help. Yet - a president cannot expect that because people get scared if they don't agree with his every move. When scared, they fear they misread the man. Guess that is politics.

61 posted on 02/11/2004 12:30:27 AM PST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: DoughtyOne
What can I tell the kid? I can tell him that there's a war on terror, but that $500 billion isn't just the war on terrorism and the kid knows it.



Tell him that we have a Congress and specifically the House, whose job it is to dispose of the proposals made by the POTUS in a budget. Point out that Tom DeLay and a coalition of House conservatives is slashing this budget to the bone. It will be a huge fight and there is no way he can miss it.

Point out that we are winning in Iraq and Afghanistan because GWB will not quit and run, & therefore the supplemental for the military appropriations will be much lower than projected.

DeLay's team has a goal of cutting the deficit to zero in 5 years. I don't know if that can be done. W wants to cut it in half in 5 years. I don't know if that can be done. But the only way we have a chance is to elect conservatives and have a President in office who will sign/veto in favor of less spending. W has promised to veto any increase. Daschle wants to add 18.4% to the gas tax to distribute more tax monies to the States via the Highway Bill.

We got here via liberal incrementalism. We get out of it via conservative incrementalism.

Bush's Medicare and Social Security reforms will privatize these for the younger ones. That will end them as a weapon of choice for the liberals.

And I am glad you will vote for Bush. I don't think you will regret it, but it will be contentious nailbiter of a 2nd term, IMO.
73 posted on 02/11/2004 4:46:43 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: DoughtyOne

rocks and glass-house metaphor comes to mind.

that said, I still disagree with your orig post.

Freegards!

CGVet58


122 posted on 02/18/2005 12:05:05 PM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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